Super User LrgmouthShad Posted July 17, 2022 Super User Posted July 17, 2022 During travel, it appears my Shimano Sedona’s spinning drag stopped working. It seems like it is just off but I cannot figure out how to turn it back on. There is no switch that I can see. What could be the culprit? Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted July 17, 2022 Super User Posted July 17, 2022 What does stopped working mean ? What's the reel & in particular the spool doing ? Is the handle rotating backwards ? Is the spool free spinning ? Are you holding your mouth right ? A-Jay 3 Quote
Super User LrgmouthShad Posted July 17, 2022 Author Super User Posted July 17, 2022 1 minute ago, A-Jay said: What does stopped working mean ? What's the reel & in particular the spool doing ? Is the handle rotating backwards ? Is the spool free spinning ? Are you holding your mouth right ? A-Jay When I pull on the line directly in front of spool, there is no drag. The line pulls off freely and only the spool rotates. The handle does not do anything. No other issues that I can see. Edit: Added a little comment to the end there about handle not spinning 1 Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted July 17, 2022 Super User Posted July 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, LrgmouthShad said: When I pull on the line directly in front of spool, there is no drag. No other issues that I can see. Take the spool off and put it back on, see what happens Not sure which model you have but most of them seem listed here . . . https://www.reelschematic.com/reel-schematics/shimano-reel-schematics/shimano-sedona-schematics/#gsc.tab=0 A-Jay 1 Quote
garroyo130 Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 Guessing you already removed drag knob/cap and spool and replaced? Quote
Super User LrgmouthShad Posted July 17, 2022 Author Super User Posted July 17, 2022 Just now, garroyo130 said: Guessing you already removed drag knob/cap and spool and replaced? Yes, removed and put back together Quote
Super User MickD Posted July 17, 2022 Super User Posted July 17, 2022 The drag works by the tightening of the nut compressing the stack of discs in the spool. Something is "bottomed out" preventing the compression of the stack. Something is taking the load usually transmitted to the stack. Something jammed on the threads of the shaft on which the drag nut is threaded? Look very closely for something that is taking that load. 1 Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted July 17, 2022 Super User Posted July 17, 2022 How intense was the 'travel' ? Are we talking sitting in the truck or did we go the Ricshaw route ? J/K A-Jay 2 Quote
Super User LrgmouthShad Posted July 17, 2022 Author Super User Posted July 17, 2022 I noticed something else. The drag works at very low strength. At a certain point it appears to “cap off” at this very low strength, almost negligible. 11 minutes ago, A-Jay said: How intense was the 'travel' ? Are we talking sitting in the truck Other than someone almost swerving into me outside Saint Louis, travel was very plain ?. Sitting in the truck is all 1 Quote
Super User WRB Posted July 17, 2022 Super User Posted July 17, 2022 Take the spool off the reel. Does everything work without the spool installed? Handle turns normally, rotator spins normally etc? If so it’s a spool drag problem. When you install the spool and tighten the drag nut it isn’t threading down all the way or you lost the drag washers parts somehow. Take the drag parts out and inspect them. Look at your reel schematic and check the number of washers, drag disk and retainers to see what is missing. Smooth Drags have everything you need to replace the drag for a few $. Tom 1 1 Quote
garroyo130 Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 Did you make sure to reinstall the clicker? if you dont put that on the spool will bottom out before any drag can be applied ... 1 Quote
Super User LrgmouthShad Posted July 17, 2022 Author Super User Posted July 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, garroyo130 said: Did you make sure to reinstall the clicker? if you dont put that on the spool will bottom out before any drag can be applied ... I think based on what you said here and what WRB commented, I can figure out what is wrong with my reel. For now, I’m going fishing. Fiddling with my gear is a thing for when I can’t fish ? 1 Quote
Super User Deleted account Posted July 17, 2022 Super User Posted July 17, 2022 3 hours ago, LrgmouthShad said: During travel, it appears my Shimano Sedona’s spinning drag stopped working. It seems like it is just off but I cannot figure out how to turn it back on. There is no switch that I can see. What could be the culprit? Assuming nothing broke, either the star drag clicker thing fell off, or the spool and/or the tension knob aren't seated properly, or some or all of the above. Quote
VolFan Posted July 18, 2022 Posted July 18, 2022 Is it spooled with braid, and Is it just braid spinning on the spool? Quote
GRiver Posted July 18, 2022 Posted July 18, 2022 Please let us know what the problem was when you get it figured out, might happen to somebody else. We’re you using when it stopped working or pulled it out of the truck and wasn’t working? 1 Quote
Super User LrgmouthShad Posted July 19, 2022 Author Super User Posted July 19, 2022 I’ve been fiddling around with the reel some more and looking carefully at the schematic. I am not missing the star clicker nor the two washers that are with it. I notice when I take the spool off and hold it in my hand that the line pulls off freely. The spool, when disconnected from everything else, is letting loose line. What does this mean? Quote
FrnkNsteen Posted July 19, 2022 Posted July 19, 2022 So are you saying if you hold the spool in your hand and pull on the line, the line comes off the spool ( While the spool stays stationary) It likely means you loaded the braid directly on the spool with no mono backing and the braid is slipping. What I do is start with some mono on the empty spool first, tied on with a cinch knot that tightens as it is pulled. Reel enough of the mono to tightly cover the bottom of the spool and then tie it to your braided main line and fill the rest of the spool with the braid. Mono has some stretch and cinches down on the spool better without slipping than braid does. 1 Quote
Super User LrgmouthShad Posted July 19, 2022 Author Super User Posted July 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, FrnkNsteen said: While the spool stays stationary) If I understand what you are saying correctly, no, the spool is rotating as I pull off line Quote
FrnkNsteen Posted July 19, 2022 Posted July 19, 2022 14 minutes ago, LrgmouthShad said: If I understand what you are saying correctly, no, the spool is rotating as I pull off line I don't understand what you mean then. If you have the spool off the reel and resting in your hand, ...... of course it spins in your hand and releases line when you pull on it! I must not be understanding something! 1 Quote
Super User LrgmouthShad Posted July 19, 2022 Author Super User Posted July 19, 2022 1 minute ago, FrnkNsteen said: I don't understand what you mean then. If you have the spool off the reel and resting in your hand, ...... of course it spins in your hand and releases line when you pull on it! I must not be understanding something! No, no, you’re fine. I called someone to take the spool off a reel and tell me if it rotated in their hand when they took the spool off and pulled on line. They did me it did not. I thought I recalled that a spool was not supposed to let line loose freely, I dunno Quote
FrnkNsteen Posted July 19, 2022 Posted July 19, 2022 Ok.... I'm picturing loosely cupping a spool in my hand and pulling on the line. I don't know what would stop it from spinning in your hand while you pull the line off it. What I was getting at was wondering if you hold the spool tightly in your hand and pull on the line, if the line slips/spins on the spool and allows it to be pulled off. Quote
Super User LrgmouthShad Posted July 27, 2022 Author Super User Posted July 27, 2022 On 7/19/2022 at 2:15 PM, FrnkNsteen said: It likely means you loaded the braid directly on the spool with no mono backing and the braid is slipping. Update: I think you are correct. The braid is slipping. I started peeling off the braid and at a certain point it stopped slipping. So I need a backing. To be honest I doubted you and I am sorry for that. Thank you for helping me. 1 Quote
Super User MN Fisher Posted July 27, 2022 Super User Posted July 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, LrgmouthShad said: I think you are correct. The braid is slipping. One thing still good about Pfluegers - the spinning reels have three 'rubber' strips going from top to bottom on the hub - the only 'True' braid ready spools out there. The others are just bare metal. I still use backing even on my Pfluegers though - cheap mono (Berkely Cajun) just to save money as I only put 60-70yds of braid on. 1 Quote
Super User LrgmouthShad Posted July 27, 2022 Author Super User Posted July 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, MN Fisher said: One thing still good about Pfluegers - the spinning reels have three 'rubber' strips going from top to bottom on the hub - the only 'True' braid ready spools out there. The others are just bare metal. I still use backing even on my Pfluegers though - cheap mono (Berkely Cajun) just to save money as I only put 60-70yds of braid on. Pflueger spinning reels are what I used before this Shimano. So maybe that’s why I thought the Shimano suddenly stopped working when braid didn’t cooperate without backing on it. I just learned a whole lot today. Most or all of my equipment is looking pretty good now. Quote
FrnkNsteen Posted July 27, 2022 Posted July 27, 2022 1 hour ago, LrgmouthShad said: Update: I think you are correct. The braid is slipping. I started peeling off the braid and at a certain point it stopped slipping. So I need a backing. To be honest I doubted you and I am sorry for that. Thank you for helping me. No worries. I just took it as a miscommunication. Glad to hear you got it figured out! 1 Quote
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