Help with Daiwa Fuego baitcaster backlash?

[PhishLI]

36 minutes ago, Cbump said:

Not trying to solve problems no one asked about. 

I'm actually interested in how this plays out for the OP, so I'm not going to say what I'd really like to. I don't want this thread to get locked. Suffice to say that you've added nothing to this thread other than to agree with what someone else took the time to write, then scolded others, including me, for questions you find extraneous. Who's actually annoyed here? You are. The OP wasn't at all. Isn't that interesting? You're free to add me to your ignore list. Fine with me. It's easy to do.

[Cbump]

I’ve never added anyone to an ignore list on any forum and I don’t plan to today. 
 

I didn’t scold anyone until the new guy comment you made came in to play. I quoted someone, said this is the answer and we don’t need more info to come to that answer, and you got butt hurt about It. I was never even talking to you in this thread. 
 

Do you disagree with the suggestions to fix a line to line knot hanging up in a guide? Seriously. Do you disagree with any of those solutions? If not, then wth is your problem? If the line to line knot catching in a guide is causing backlashes, and we have no reason to believe it’s not because the OP says It is, and if the OP has the mental capacity to figure out how to sign up on a forum, post a question, etc I believe he probably has the mental capacity to tell that a knot is slamming a guide, then the solutions suggested are the answer. Correct? 

 

Now this thread has this guy loosening his spool tension. Id love to see the backlash that occurs with looser tension, same brakes, and the knot still catching a guide. Lol

 

Btw, a lot of posts on a forum doesn’t make you cool or some kind of celebrity. Just like someone with less posts doesn’t make them some kind of outcast like they don’t belong in the cool guy club yet. That doesn’t encourage participation. 

[PhishLI]

1 hour ago, Cbump said:

I didn’t scold anyone until the new guy comment you made came in to play.

Sure you did in your 1st post to this thread.

 

You:

"we don’t need every single detail of the setup to come to this conclusion"

 

We? You mean you. "We" get to spitball around here without anyone attempting to govern us except the mods. Wanna be a mod? 

1 hour ago, Cbump said:

Do you disagree with any of those solutions?

I've been been at this long enough to have seen where the simple answer isn't always "the" answer, especially with a new poster like the OP.  Ultimately the knot might be the answer, which is fine with me, but look at what we've found out since he offered more info after being prompted. Cranking down spool tension on a Daiwa for one. Micro guides excluded. "We" get to ask for more info without it being suggested otherwise by new guys or old guys or anyone else. That's what you did right off the bat.

 

1 hour ago, Cbump said:

then wth is your problem?

Simple. Who are you or anyone else to suggest others shouldn't have asked questions? Seriously. I don't care if you have 20,000 posts or 10. Nobody does that around here.

 

2 hours ago, Cbump said:

I’ve never added anyone to an ignore list on any forum and I don’t plan to today. 

Pretty please, or just pretend to.

[Cbump]

Please show me where I said you shouldn’t have asked questions. I’ll wait. 
 

Why won’t you answer my question?
Do you disagree with the suggestions given to fix the problem presented in the first post?
 

Would knowing every detail about the setup change the solution given to that problem? 
 

If the problem is X why do you need to know about Y? Fix X, then if you’re just bored, which It seems like you are, dive in deeper. The point is, those extra details are not needed to solve the original problem presented - line to line knot hitting guides. How do you disagree with this? Lol

 

Example: 

Setup 1: Ugly Stik Tiger Boat rod XH, Daiwa 6000 spinning rod, 100lb braid to 150lb mono with double uni knot. Problem: Line to line knot hits guides. 
 

Setup 2: Megabass Destroyer Dark Sleeper, Daiwa Coastal SV, 20lb braid to 15lb fc with double uni knot. Problem: line to line knot hits guides. 
 

Are the solutions different for either of these setups? No

[WRB]

The only time I have used braid on a bait casting reel was in the 50’s before monofilament line became available and fishing extremely heavy cover at Clear Lake and the Delta.

Suggest you go with Mono line, get rid of the braid for bait casting. 

1 knot at the lure or hook = no issues casting.

Tom

[Nick Boehm]

11 hours ago, new2BC4bass said:

Too much spool tension was going to be in my reply until I got to this post.  Micro guides on your rod was going to be my first question.  You've taken care of the first and answered the second.  Next it's practice, practice.

 

The Uni Knot is my go to knot except for line to line connections.  I prefer the Alberto or even the Albright.  The FG knot seems like a lot more trouble than I am willing to take.  Besides, the only time I had a leader break (almost never use one) it didn't break at the line to line connection.  Or at the hook.  I'm thinking I didn't check my leader often enough for possible nicks or abrasion.

Thanks for the info. I took it out back today. Backed off the reel tension till there was some “click” or side to side play in the spool as other Daiwa users suggested. I then tightened it back about a 1/8th of aturn. Set the mags to 6 and voila!! Perfect casts. The Uni to Uni was no longer snagging anything and the cast was super smooth with little effort. I think the spool tension was just way to tight slowing down the cast just enough for the knot to try and bite at the guides. I still had a couple small backlashes but that was me getting used to a new reel and they were nowhere near as bad as the ones I experienced on the lake. 

8 hours ago, Cbump said:

I’ve never added anyone to an ignore list on any forum and I don’t plan to today. 
 

I didn’t scold anyone until the new guy comment you made came in to play. I quoted someone, said this is the answer and we don’t need more info to come to that answer, and you got butt hurt about It. I was never even talking to you in this thread. 
 

Do you disagree with the suggestions to fix a line to line knot hanging up in a guide? Seriously. Do you disagree with any of those solutions? If not, then wth is your problem? If the line to line knot catching in a guide is causing backlashes, and we have no reason to believe it’s not because the OP says It is, and if the OP has the mental capacity to figure out how to sign up on a forum, post a question, etc I believe he probably has the mental capacity to tell that a knot is slamming a guide, then the solutions suggested are the answer. Correct? 

 

Now this thread has this guy loosening his spool tension. Id love to see the backlash that occurs with looser tension, same brakes, and the knot still catching a guide. Lol

 

Btw, a lot of posts on a forum doesn’t make you cool or some kind of celebrity. Just like someone with less posts doesn’t make them some kind of outcast like they don’t belong in the cool guy club yet. That doesn’t encourage participation. 

Man you guys are funny. While the knot was catching and I could physically feel it hitting the guides it ultimately came down to backing the tension way off as other Daiwa users suggested. Backed it way off, set the mags to 5-6 and it casts like butter. Reason for backing off the tension so much is because the way the Daiwa mag brake was designed it requires significant centrifugal force for the brake to kick in so if the tension isn’t on the lighter side the spool will never hit the speed it needs for the brake to do it’s job no matter what setting it is on.  

[Cbump]

Good deal. I’m glad you got that figured out. Btw, you still don’t want your knot hitting the guides as I’ve seen It weaken and break the knot over time. 

[PhishLI]

24 minutes ago, Nick Boehm said:

Thanks for the info. I took it out back today. Backed off the reel tension till there was some “click” or side to side play in the spool as other Daiwa users suggested. I then tightened it back about a 1/8th of aturn. Set the mags to 6 and voila!! Perfect casts. The Uni to Uni was no longer snagging anything and the cast was super smooth with little effort

Awesome, man. The Fuego is a solid reel. Mine have been going strong for 4 years after being fished in tough water. It's a good idea to get some grease on the gears and some oil on the spool bearings. Keep it lubed and it'll keep on truckin. It isn't unusual for them to come out of the box on the dry side. Nobody knows why, but it's a thing these days. Yours might be an exception, but if you crack it open and it isn't, we'll get you through the process. It's a piece of cake with some tips and pictures.

[Nick Boehm]

39 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

Awesome, man. The Fuego is a solid reel. Mine have been going strong for 4 years after being fished in tough water. It's a good idea to get some grease on the gears and some oil on the spool bearings. Keep it lubed and it'll keep on truckin. It isn't unusual for them to come out of the box on the dry side. Nobody knows why, but it's a thing these days. Yours might be an exception, but if you crack it open and it isn't, we'll get you through the process. It's a piece of cake with some tips and pictures.

Thanks. It’s not too noisy so I’ll grease and oil the larger parts but wait till the colder months to really get inside of it. 

[Nick Boehm]

1 hour ago, Cbump said:

Good deal. I’m glad you got that figured out. Btw, you still don’t want your knot hitting the guides as I’ve seen It weaken and break the knot over time. 

Thanks. I’m going to shorten my leader to where it doesn’t pass the guides. 

[Jrob78]

18 minutes ago, Nick Boehm said:

Thanks. I’m going to shorten my leader to where it doesn’t pass the guides. 

I'm glad you got it straightened out but why are using a leader in the first place?

[T-Billy]

4 hours ago, Nick Boehm said:

Thanks. I’m going to shorten my leader to where it doesn’t pass the guides. 

Give the Alberto a try and fish as long a leader as you want. Quick and easy knot that's small, passes through guides with ease, and is very strong and durable. I cut my tags flush and have never had one slip or break. The only thing I do different than this video is, I give the braid an extra wrap though the loop at the finish. Don't sweat the wraps back being perfectly in between the initial wraps. They'll fall right into place when you cinch it down.

 

[islandbass]

5 hours ago, Nick Boehm said:

Thanks. I’m going to shorten my leader to where it doesn’t pass the guides. 

That’s the best way to eliminate to eliminate the possibility of knots catching. In addition, even any knot used can catch  it being mindful of that at all times will go a long way in prevent if not minimize potential overruns.

[Nick Boehm]

8 hours ago, Jrob78 said:

I'm glad you got it straightened out but why are using a leader in the first place?

Was fishing a couple crank baits and some spinners. From what I understand the eyelets of crank baits don’t always hold up to unforgiving braid. 

[Boomstick]

I rarely have issues with non microguide rods even with a double uni, but I would try learning the Alberto or FG knot which is much slimmer.

13 hours ago, Nick Boehm said:

Thanks for the info. I took it out back today. Backed off the reel tension till there was some “click” or side to side play in the spool as other Daiwa users suggested. I then tightened it back about a 1/8th of aturn. Set the mags to 6 and voila!! Perfect casts. The Uni to Uni was no longer snagging anything and the cast was super smooth with little effort. I think the spool tension was just way to tight slowing down the cast just enough for the knot to try and bite at the guides. I still had a couple small backlashes but that was me getting used to a new reel and they were nowhere near as bad as the ones I experienced on the lake. 

I set it to the point it just begins to click, that casts the best. If I have it much tighter than that not only do I lose casting distance, but it actually backlashes more. Use the brake between 6 and 10 depending on your preferences, and lure and rod etc (maybe 12 in heavy winds and lighter lures)

[PhishLI]

On 7/18/2022 at 7:54 AM, Nick Boehm said:

Was fishing a couple crank baits and some spinners. From what I understand the eyelets of crank baits don’t always hold up to unforgiving braid. 

Nick,

 

Due to where I usually fish, in no-boats lakes, I often end up fishing cranks with straight braid. I always have straight mono/copolymer/fluoro rigs with me, but there are plenty of times where I'm not into trudging back to shore to switch rigs. Sometimes I just don't want to make noise doing so. Either way, and because of this, I've fished a ton of wakes/cranks, jerkbaits on straight braid and fast rods. Not ideal, but drag set for the bait and a good thumb can overcome a lot. I have never broken anything on any of those baits ever, and I'm often getting snagged in lily pad stalks and super thick milfoil and need to rip the baits out. That's not to say that this couldn't happen, but I'm suggesting that this is quite rare. Rare enough not to worry about it.

 

You're far more likely to loose a bait to a toothy fish. Besides that, leaders short enough to allow you to have the proper lure drop from the tip before a cast don't do all that much for shock. Better than nothing, but a long leader is much better. Also, I've had mono and fluoro leaders tied with uni-uni connections on my bass rods for months at a time. I've never broken one. Perhaps it happens, but it hasn't happened to me yet. The termination knot at the hook breaks first.

 

Personally, I hate the sound of any connection knot going through my guides, so most of my rigs are straight-whatever-mainline, but if you feel like you need a leader, then do it, and don't worry about it. Most of the baits you're likely to throw on your particular 7MH are heavy enough to pull any connection knot through its guides without issue.

 

 

 

 

[Nick Boehm]

26 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

Nick,

 

Due to where I usually fish, in no-boats lakes, I often end up fishing cranks with straight braid. I always have straight mono/copolymer, fluoro rigs with me, but there plenty of times where I'm not into trudging back to shore to switch rigs. Sometimes I just don't want to make noise doing so. Either way, and because of this, I've fished a ton of wakes/cranks, jerkbaits on straight braid and fast rods. Not ideal, but drag set for the bait and a good thumb can overcome a lot. I have never broken anything on any of those baits ever, and I'm often getting snagged in lily pad stalks and super thick milfoil and need to rip the baits out. That's not to say that this couldn't happen, but I'm suggesting that this is quite rare. Rare enough not to worry about it.

 

You're far more likely to loose a bait to a toothy fish. Besides that, leaders short enough to allow you to have the proper lure drop from the tip before a cast don't do all that much for shock. Better than nothing, but a long leader is much better. Also, I've had mono and fluoro leaders tied with uni-uni connections on my bass rods for months at a time. I've never broken one. Perhaps it happens, but it hasn't happened to me yet. The termination knot at the hook breaks first.

 

Personally, I hate the sound of any connection knot going through my guides, so most of my rigs are straight-whatever-mainline, but if you feel like you need a leader, then do it, and don't worry about it. Most of the baits you're likely to throw on your particular 7MH are heavy enough to pull any connection knot through its guides without issue.

 

 

 

 

Note. Maybe I’ll give it a shot next time I rig it. 

[Jrob78]

6 hours ago, Nick Boehm said:

Was fishing a couple crank baits and some spinners. From what I understand the eyelets of crank baits don’t always hold up to unforgiving braid. 

I'm a big fan of keeping things as simple as possible until you have a reason not to. If I were you and you are dead set on using braid with crankbaits and spinnerbaits, I wouldn't throw leaders in the mix until you encounter a situation or problem that they would fix. Keep it simple