Light braided line break strength

[Creek Chub 1]

I’m considering going with a lighter braid on my ned rig set up. I currently use 15# smackdown. I seen a ned rig rod review and the guy swore by 5# power pro in red color. 
 

Any one use 5 or 8# braid with good results? I fish rocky rivers for smallies if that matters and always use Yozuri hybrid for leaders 

[bulldog1935]

In Japan braid size. 0.10 mm diameter is equivalent to PE#0.4

That's the smallest I fish, and I fish it on a 500 size spinning reel in wide open navigation channels, and then I use it with 9-lb hard fluoro abrasion leader. 

 

On 1000 and 2000 spinning reels, I've fished many miles on 6-lb Sufix 832, and can recommend it for its advanced coating and good manners. 

Here's the line calculator for stacking lines. 

 

First thing to figure out is whether your reel can manage something that small.  Deep spool spinning reels will hourglass if you stack lines too far and finish too small.  That promotes "wind knots" when casting. 

 

If you're talking about a baitcaster, only a few BFS reels have the LW pitch to handle line that small without line dig. 

 

It ought to cast like crazy, but there are a lot of line choices between 15 and 5 lb. 

It will also get down in a hurry because it's so thin. 

 

@A-Jay Ott magnifier and lamp for those little Allbright knots. 

[A-Jay]

Use Sufix 832 (green) in 8lb on a couple of rigs; usually with 6 or 8lb leader. 

It's as light as I'd ever go - old guy eyes & sausage fingers

make leader knot's a little tricky, but I get it done.

Once acclimated, it fishes great.

A-Jay

 

 

[Creek Chub 1]

I was considering putting the lighter braid on either a vanford 2000 or 2500. Would a  5 or 8# be too small for those reels?

1 hour ago, bulldog1935 said:

In Japan braid size. 0.1 mm diameter is equivalent to PE#0.4

That's the smallest I fish, and I fish it on a 500 size spinning reel in wide open navigation channels, and then I use it with 9-lb hard fluoro abrasion leader. 

 

On 1000 and 2000 spinning reels, I've fished many miles on 6-lb Sufix 832, and can recommend it for its advanced coating and good manners. 

Here's the line calculator for stacking lines. 

 

First thing to figure out is whether your reel can manage something that small.  Deep spool spinning reels will hourglass if you stack lines too far and finish too small.  That promotes "wind knots" when casting. 

 

If you're talking about a baitcaster, only a few BFS reels have the LW pitch to handle line that small without line dig. 

 

It ought to cast like crazy, but there are a lot of line choices between 15 and 5 lb. 

It will also get down in a hurry because it's so thin. 

 

I am considering the lighter braid for either a vanford 2000 or 2500. Would a 5 or 8# be too small for those reels?

4 minutes ago, A-Jay said:

Use Sufix 832 (green) in 8lb on a couple of rigs; usually with 6 or 8lb leader. 

It's as light as I'd ever go - old guy eyes & sausage fingers

make leader knot's a little tricky, but I get it done.

Once acclimated, it fishes great.

A-Jay

 

 

What knot do you use to connect the 8# braid to your leader?

[new2BC4bass]

Good thing you use leaders.  I put 5# braid on my Ned rig rod and quickly found out the very first day I used it that straight 5# braid was a no-no.  Fins Wintamer (I think) on a BG1500/Major Craft Benkei 6'7" LF.  Not sure if I will be keeping the Benkei as a Ned rig rod.

[bulldog1935]

@Creek Chub 1

The problem with USM reels is they tend to all be delivered with deep spool and fast retrieve. 

That said, Shimano's line management is better than even Daiwa. 

 

If you shop JDM, both C2000S and C2000SHG sizes have a better spool depth. 

The only perfect spools Shimano offers for that small are the C1000SSS and C2000SSS on spendy Vanquish. 

 

You can also buy the Vanquish spool separately, and either one will work perfectly on 2000 size Vanford.  Have a mono or bigger braid spool, and a tiny braid spool. 

Since I'm targeting big fish on light, even XUL tackle, I always have a loaded spare spool for whatever size reel I'm packing. 

I better add this was a legal, overnight limit for three - 16" to 25" - they happen to be all male schoolies. 

[Deleted account]

I like to not fish braid whenever possible, but there are certainly times when it's the best choice, I see no reason to go lighter than 10 lb for the things I do.

[PaulVE64]

Trying my 1st spool of suffix 832.

 

I know, I'm slower then average.

[A-Jay]

1 hour ago, Creek Chub 1 said:

I was considering putting the lighter braid on either a vanford 2000 or 2500. Would a  5 or 8# be too small for those reels?

I am considering the lighter braid for either a vanford 2000 or 2500. Would a 5 or 8# be too small for those reels?

What knot do you use to connect the 8# braid to your leader?

Uni to uni knot.

For both mono & FC leaders

A-Jay 

[Team9nine]

I use 3, 4, 5, and 8 pound braid on most all my 2000/2500 Series Shimano & Daiwa spinning reels. Never went above that for years until I started using YGK. I don't think you'd have any issues with 5 pound, but since you're used to 15 at the moment, and if your rivers are heavily rock based, you might start with 8 pound and see how things go from there. 

[PaulVE64]

Going with the FJ knot braid to mono preferred.

[Creek Chub 1]

13 hours ago, Team9nine said:

I use 3, 4, 5, and 8 pound braid on most all my 2000/2500 Series Shimano & Daiwa spinning reels. Never went above that for years until I started using YGK. I don't think you'd have any issues with 5 pound, but since you're used to 15 at the moment, and if your rivers are heavily rock based, you might start with 8 pound and see how things go from there. 

What does YGK mean?

[MN Fisher]

15 minutes ago, Creek Chub 1 said:

What does YGK mean?

Nothing - it's the name of the company.

YGK Co., Ltd.

https://xbraidygk-jp.translate.goog/company/?_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

[Cbump]

What makes the YGK better? Just curious. I’m all about new things if it’s worth It. Which kind do you use? 

[ironbjorn]

I promise you'll be perfectly content at 8 or 10 lb

[MN Fisher]

25 minutes ago, ironbjorn said:

I promise you'll be perfectly content at 8 or 10 lb

Ya, my finesse rig is loaded with 10# 832 and I use 6# InvizX for the leader...seems to work just fine for Neds, DS, etc.

[Team9nine]

50 minutes ago, Cbump said:

What makes the YGK better? Just curious. I’m all about new things if it’s worth It. Which kind do you use? 

I use the sinking braid version in various test strengths. A great all-around finesse line. Supple right out of the box, casts well, handles great, hi-vis, sinks, holds a good knot. Power Pro and 832 are the other two lines I have spooled up, but YGK has taken over most of the bass outfits.

 

[bulldog1935]

22 hours ago, Cbump said:

What makes the YGK better? Just curious. I’m all about new things if it’s worth It. Which kind do you use? 

The X-braids use finer fibers and a core strand that makes up 80% of the line strength, the outer braid fibers are for abrasion resistance.  The whole thing is fused when the specialty FEP (teflon) coatings are applied.  The strength of X-braids are over twice the strength of the same diameter Sufix 832, which is no slouch on its own. 

YGK Bornrush is my favorite on spinning tackle, and Duel X-wire is my favorite on baitcaster - the main difference is the coating - a softer rubbery coating on the Bornrush, harder on the X-wire. 

both of these are PE#1.2, 27-lb.  The Shimano spool size is C3000MHG (med frame, shallow spool).  That's also a shallow Ray's Studio SV spool on the Zillion.  

 

G-soul is a little different, it includes fluorocarbon fibers to make it sink, and is probably a better choice in larger sizes.   The fine braids sink because they're so small. 

 

If you buy an X-braid, think diameter, Not test. 

[Cbump]

Well I need some 8 or 10 for a spinning rig I just bought and looking to buy a Daiwa Coastal soon for inshore (still deciding on straight fc or braid on that one). Will definitely consider the YGK. 

[WRB]

Fins Braid (made in America) offers a wide variety of specialized braids. Each braid type list it’s construction 4, 5, 8 carrier, diameter, break strength and colors available. 

Fins braid is color fast, doesn’t run or fade.

Sling braid and Spin Braid are small diameter braid ideal for the OP’s application.

Tom

[Tail Slap]

You really can not compare USDM line vs JDM line based on strength rating (lb/kg) as the former uses it as a marketing vehicle (with no standard whatsoever for fair comparison to any other manf lines) vs the latter as a accurate techincal spec based off a stardards association JAFTMA (Japan Fishing Tackle Manufacturers Association) that further uses JAFS standards for Japanese fishing line size (diameter) .  They report PE# size and MAX line strength lb/kg with average strength in doc.

 

USDM has zero industry standards and openly engages in severely underrating it's line strengths and diameters.  Making any use of those specs worthless in comparing to other manf  lines.  Just the way USDM prefers to function; marketing smoke and mirrors. 

 

5lb PP is in reality 10lb+ line by JPN standards.   It's why you see statements like this

 

On 7/16/2022 at 8:38 PM, Team9nine said:

I use 3, 4, 5, and 8 pound braid on most all my 2000/2500 Series Shimano & Daiwa spinning reels. Never went above that for years until I started using YGK. I don't think you'd have any issues with 5 pound, but since you're used to 15 at the moment, and if your rivers are heavily rock based, you might start with 8 pound and see how things go from there. 

If your use to 15lb PP /Suffix 832 best understand your use to running actually 25lb line. JDM 5lb line is actually MAX 5lb average 4lb but thinner than US 5lb which is not only underrated but thicker as well.

[Dan N]

I’ve never seen a reason to go under 10# braid. I stick to 15. It gets too thin for me to deal with. Old eyes I guess. And with a leader I don’t see the need. Uni to uni knot. 8# leader. Works for me in very clear water. 

[Tail Slap]

We're I see ul braids coming in to play is casting performance of ul lures as well as for the challenge of playing out fish.  As an example, it takes far more skill to bring in a  3lb brown trout on pe# 0.15 (0.0026") 4lb avg line than pe#0.6 (0.0052") 12.6lb avg Same goes casting extreme ul lures.

 

But yes they are an absolute PITA to tie knots with.  Definitely want loud colors.