Vehicle Gas Mileage

[slonezp]

26 minutes ago, Sam said:

I have been told that E85 can damage a bass boat motor so avoid it.

 

OK to put it in your truck or SUV.

I'd never put it in an outboard. 

[MN Fisher]

23 minutes ago, Sam said:

I have been told that E85 can damage a bass boat motor so avoid it.

 

OK to put it in your truck or SUV.

All kinds of issues with E-85 in vehicles not specifically rated to use it - so unless the motor/engine is specifically rated to use E-85, steer clear of it unless you want to have to rebuild it.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/e85-what-is-the-cheaper-gas-alternative-and-can-your-car-use-it/

[slonezp]

3 days in. Truck computer says 10.4 mpg vs the 11.8 mpg that has been pretty steady the life of the truck. Roughly 49 miles per 35gal tank less than with 87 octane. Loss of 4 gallons or a little over 10%. 

35gal @$2.89 for corn = $101.15

35gal @$3.89 for 87 =$136.15

The additional 4 gallons @$2.89 = $11.56

Cost savings on 35 gal with E85 $23.55

 

[TnRiver46]

1 hour ago, slonezp said:

3 days in. Truck computer says 10.4 mpg vs the 11.8 mpg that has been pretty steady the life of the truck. Roughly 49 miles per 35gal tank less than with 87 octane. Loss of 4 gallons or a little over 10%. 

35gal @$2.89 for corn = $101.15

35gal @$3.89 for 87 =$136.15

The additional 4 gallons @$2.89 = $11.56

Cost savings on 35 gal with E85 $23.55

 

Thanks for the real info. I like that much better than “never had an issue” forum talk 

[schplurg]

On 7/13/2022 at 7:08 AM, Tennessee Boy said:

When the pipeline company got hacked a few years ago it affected most if not all brands of gas in our area.  So all the gas is probably coming from the same refinery.  I’m thinking that any differences in brands must be due to additives.  It might make since to buy the cheapest gas and then look at adding you’re own additives.  I’m sure the gas companies can buy additives cheaper than we can so cost would also be a factor to consider.

 

This ^^

 

Your cheapie stations and your Chevrons are getting their gas from the same source. The additives are the difference. Most people buy the expensive stuff because they think it is better for the engine and will last longer. MPG is not affected. This can all be googled.

 

But how long do most people keep their cars? is it worth the extra money?

 

All gas sold here must meet minimum requirements.

 

Here, the expensive gas is around 50 cents more than the cheap stuff.

 

30,000 miles a year let's say

22 miles a gallon (example)

Let's do $4 a gallon (price doesn't matter in this example).

 

That is 1,363 gallons of gas in a year.

 

Expensive gas = $5542 per year @ 4.00/gal

Cheap gas = $4770 per year @ 3.50/gal

 

Difference $771 per year

 

Let's go 10 years = $7,710

 

Is that extra $7,710 dollars worth it? Depends....

 

How much would a new engine cost if say you used the cheap gas and it conked out in 10 years? Would you even care to replace it at that point?

 

Will the car be worth more if you sell it used if you tell people you put all that money into the good gas? Probably not.

 

Will it run better when it's time to sell? Perhaps. Will it run $7,700 better?

 

Just thinking out loud. I personally buy the cheapest gas I can find.

[MN Fisher]

11 minutes ago, schplurg said:

Your cheapie stations and your Chevrons are getting their gas from the same source.

Yep-yep

 

Minnesota has two (2) refineries.

Prices near me today...

BP in Wayzata - $4.29

Holiday in Navarre - $4.09

Quick Trip in St Bonifacius - $3.99

 

They all get their gas from the same place - why the $0.30 range in price in a 6 mile circle?

[gim]

18 hours ago, MN Fisher said:

They all get their gas from the same place - why the $0.30 range in price in a 6 mile circle?

I was out by Chisago/Lindstrom today and it’s $3.53/gal there. Get back to Forest Lake and it’s $4.09/gal. Pretty astonishing price difference for just 20 minutes away.

[Hammer 4]

9 minutes ago, gimruis said:

I was out by Chisago/Lindstrom today and it’s $3.53/gal there. Get back to Forest Lake and it’s $4.09/gal. Pretty astonishing price difference for just 20 minutes away.

Geez, and I thought a 20 to 30 cent difference was bad, which it is around here.

[MN Fisher]

21 minutes ago, gimruis said:

I was out by Chisago/Lindstrom today and it’s $3.53/gal there. Get back to Forest Lake and it’s $4.09/gal. Pretty astonishing price difference for just 20 minutes away.

Considering every station in the region gets it's gas from either Marathon or Flint Hills - logically they should all be at the same price.

 

This variation is just price gouging IMO.

[slonezp]

2 hours ago, MN Fisher said:

Considering every station in the region gets it's gas from either Marathon or Flint Hills - logically they should all be at the same price.

 

This variation is just price gouging IMO.

Where I'm at it is from taxes. Different county, different taxes.

[MN Fisher]

1 minute ago, slonezp said:

Where I'm at it is from taxes. Different county, different taxes.

Funny thing is - the first three I posted...Wayzata, Navarre, St Bonifacius...they're all in the same county.

[gim]

20 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

Funny thing is - the first three I posted...Wayzata, Navarre, St Bonifacius...they're all in the same county.

I don’t think the gas tax changes here based on what county you buy it in. It doesn’t surprise me that a station in Wayzata is the highest though.

[MN Fisher]

3 minutes ago, gimruis said:

I don’t think the gas tax changes here based on what county you buy it in.

Ya, I just looked - Minnesota counties don't have their own gas tax...it's just the Fed and State.

 

4 minutes ago, gimruis said:

It doesn’t surprise me that a station in Wayzata is the highest though.

Ya, I think they set the price based on the average income of those living in the area...and those who are just passing through can suffer.

[TnRiver46]

They price gouge gas all over the US 

[MN Fisher]

1 minute ago, TnRiver46 said:

They price gouge gas all over the US 

While the varying price based on where you are is a pain and gouging in a way. I still think we're lucky...we could be paying what my sister-in-law pays. While we're dipping below $4/gallon here, she's paying over $8/gallon in London, England.

Spot prices as of 08-08-2022 - https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

[TnRiver46]

3 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

While the varying price based on where you are is a pain and gouging in a way. I still think we're lucky...we could be paying what my sister-in-law pays. While we're dipping below $4/gallon here, she's paying over $8/gallon in London, England.

Spot prices as of 08-08-2022 - https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

That’s why we all left England…….

 

pour the gas into the Boston harbor!!!! No actually don’t do that, gas is a tad abrasive compared to tea 

[MN Fisher]

Just now, TnRiver46 said:

That’s why we all left England…….

Speak for yourself, Sir Russ.

 

I'm German, Swedish and Finish...not a drop of English blood in me.

[TnRiver46]

2 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

Speak for yourself, Sir Russ.

 

I'm German, Swedish and Finish...not a drop of English blood in me.

I honestly have no idea, other than some Swiss and some scots/ Irish. I do know my ancestors fought in the battle at kings mountain against the bloody red coats. They were known as the over mountain men

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overmountain_Men

[Hammer 4]

Got 60.00 worth of diesel tonight @ $ 6.29 per gal. Netted me a whopping 9 1/2 gals..

I'd sure like to see diesel drop down to around the $ 5.00 mark.

[TnRiver46]

2 hours ago, Hammer 4 said:

Got 60.00 worth of diesel tonight @ $ 6.29 per gal. Netted me a whopping 9 1/2 gals..

I'd sure like to see diesel drop down to around the $ 5.00 mark.

I think diesel is about $4.99 here , I’ll check along my work route today 

[gim]

It might dip down close to $3/gal by Labor Day in some parts of the country.  The wild card will be if any major hurricanes knock out platforms or refineries.  Hurricane season will be reaching its peak in the next month here.

[Darth-Baiter]

where I live we have other things propping up prices.  my brother in TX is complaining about $4 gas. hahha..  WAH!

 

whatever.

 

I did get slightly aroused when Toyota announced their new Toyota Tacoma!!!  they will have a hybrid and EV version..both of which my wife gave me the two thumbs up.  its crazy how sympathetic a wife can get to my 2006 Tacoma 18MPG when we got her a TESLA.  hahaha..  but to be honest my crap mpg is palatable when our other car doesn't burn gas.  I can do this easily for a long time.

[slonezp]

Real world numbers tell a different story. Warning light came on today. Normally I use 20-22 gal of 87. Put in 26.5 gal.

There's no savings. 

[12poundbass]

I did this! ?

[throttleplate]

16 hours ago, Darth-Baiter said:

where I live we have other things propping up prices.  my brother in TX is complaining about $4 gas. hahha..  WAH!

 

whatever.

 

I did get slightly aroused when Toyota announced their new Toyota Tacoma!!!  they will have a hybrid and EV version..both of which my wife gave me the two thumbs up.  its crazy how sympathetic a wife can get to my 2006 Tacoma 18MPG when we got her a TESLA.  hahaha..  but to be honest my crap mpg is palatable when our other car doesn't burn gas.  I can do this easily for a long time.

Being you and your wife drive the tesla and dont pay a tax for fuel which goes to fix the roads what does california have up their sleeve to tax the electricity you put into your tesla?

4 hours ago, 12poundbass said:

I did this! ?

just be careful and dont fall off your bike.