Daiwa Coastal TW80

[JediAmoeba]

8 hours ago, PhishLI said:

Would you mind posting the schematic?

For a lot or the new reels you need to email Daiwa - they have really been slacking on uploading them to the site lately.

[PhishLI]

1 hour ago, JediAmoeba said:

For a lot or the new reels you need to email Daiwa

USDM models usually come with a fold-out in their box. A phone pic would be fine.

[FishTank]

I found a good deal on one. It showed up yesterday.  It's a pretty sweet little reel and it holds a ton of line.  I will try it out this weekend. 

[Tatulatard]

26 minutes ago, FishTank said:

I found a good deal on one. It showed up yesterday.  It's a pretty sweet little reel and it holds a ton of line.  I will try it out this weekend. 

Is there a bearing on the spool? 

[FishTank]

46 minutes ago, Tatulatard said:

Is there a bearing on the spool? 

No bearing on the spool. 

 

 

[Huckfinn38]

On 3/2/2023 at 10:04 PM, PhishLI said:

Would you mind posting the schematic?

https://imgur.com/a/Mlyz52t
https://imgur.com/a/O8eBtus

https://imgur.com/a/tRL5P6

 

[Tatulatard]

I see.  No double pinon support the same way the tatula 300 doesn't have magforce z.  Daiwa US is consistent in its wrongness.  The other regional daiwas don't have this problem.

[PhishLI]

On 3/4/2023 at 9:51 AM, Tatulatard said:

the tatula 300 doesn't have magforce z.

Safe to assume the 80 has standard magforce with the diameter of its arbor. Not necessarily a bad thing though. I have a Lexa 100HL and, honestly, magforce is pretty good in this reel. It's not the same as magtrax.

On 3/4/2023 at 9:51 AM, Tatulatard said:

No double pinon support

So, it's a Magforce Tatula 80 with blue paint, a power handle, a deep spool, and CRBBs. My Tat 80 is very smooth with its Hyper cut gear teeth, so... It looks as if there's an o-ring for the key washer in the drag stack. Sealed drag? The crankshaft has a bushing instead of a bearing on the frame side.

[Tatulatard]

Just now, PhishLI said:

Safe to assume the 80 has standard magforce with the diameter of its arbor. Not necessarily a bad thing though. I have a Lexa 100HL and, honestly, magforce is pretty good in this reel. It's not the same as magtrax.

So, it's a Magforce Tatula 80 with blue paint, a power handle, a deep spool, and CRBBs. My Tat 80 is very smooth with its Hyper gear cut teeth, so... It looks as if there's an o-ring for the key washer in the drag stack. Sealed drag?

Good catch on the spool arbor.  I thought it would have magforce z and they just got the site description wrong since it daiwa US and they already did this with the 2020 tatula ct page.  That spool in that schematic definitely looks like a magforce only spool.  

[FishTank]

I took it out today and caught two small keepers. My first impression... this is a bad little reel. It casts well, it's smooth for what it is, and does a good job of bringing fish in. It reminds me of the 50 size reels from Shimano.  I am actually pleasantly surprised at how good it feels and the blue is super cool looking.  This will be one of those reels that adds to my fishing fun. 

[ska4fun]

18 hours ago, Tatulatard said:

I see.  No double pinon support the same way the tatula 300 doesn't have magforce z.  Daiwa US is consistent in its wrongness.  The other regional daiwas don't have this problem.

There is no space for a mag-z inductor in the 300-size spool and frame.

 

[Tatulatard]

4 hours ago, ska4fun said:

There is no space for a mag-z inductor in the 300-size spool and frame.

 

This doesn't stop daiwa US from saying it had magforce z.  They have corrected it but they screw this up time and time again on their site to the point where you cannot trust what the the US site says about reel features.  This reel for example is stated to have hyper double support which it does not.  Daiwa Japan and other regions are pretty spot on but daiwa US has some sort of issue.

[ska4fun]

23 hours ago, Tatulatard said:

This doesn't stop daiwa US from saying it had magforce z.  They have corrected it but they screw this up time and time again on their site to the point where you cannot trust what the the US site says about reel features.  This reel for example is stated to have hyper double support which it does not.  Daiwa Japan and other regions are pretty spot on but daiwa US has some sort of issue.

Daiwa US don't even know what Magforce Air means.  You can't have a decent staff, if you don't invest in better wages and training. The issue is a disseminated problem in US.

[FishTank]

On 3/4/2023 at 9:51 AM, Tatulatard said:

I see.  No double pinon support the same way the tatula 300 doesn't have magforce z.  Daiwa US is consistent in its wrongness.  The other regional daiwas don't have this problem.

 

Am I missing something from the schematic? It has an extra bearing in the frame for the pinion, part #27 but no support shaft like in the Zillion. 

[PhishLI]

54 minutes ago, FishTank said:

Am I missing something from the schematic? It has an extra bearing in the frame for the pinion, part #27 but no support shaft like in the Zillion.

Typical Tatula build element. Frame side bearing to support that side of the pinion and a stepped long-shaft supporting the other end of the pinion. The side plate bearing supports the end of the long shaft which holds it all together.

[FishTank]

26 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

Typical Tatula build element. Frame side bearing to support that side of the pinion and a stepped long-shaft supporting the other end of the pinion. The side plate bearing supports the end of the long shaft which holds it all together.

 

I think I understand that but maybe I am confused on the terminology. I thought the two bearing support on the pinion was what "Hyper Double Support" was? I am not exactly fan of their marketing terms and their website definitely needs some work but no matter the case the reel I have is pretty smooth. We will see how it does after some real time on the water.

[PhishLI]

1 hour ago, FishTank said:

 

I think I understand that but maybe I am confused on the terminology. I thought the two bearing support on the pinion was what "Hyper Double Support" was? 

An error or Bald face marketing (*)uckery. It ain’t double supported like a FFS spool model, but it’ll be very smooth regardless *if* it got the hypercut gearing of the TW80. For how long remains to be seen.

[FishTank]

22 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

An error or Bald face marketing (*)uckery. It ain’t double supported like a FFS spool model, but it’ll be very smooth regardless *if* it got the hypercut gearing of the TW80. For how long remains to be seen.

 

One more time.... What does FFS stand for?  Do you mean LFS as in Lews Speed Spool LFS? If so, the few I have worked on don't have a pinion support bearing but do have a spool shaft bearing. The spool shaft bearing may make the reel smoother (at least in theory) but I don't think it does much in the way of support for the pinion. 

[PhishLI]

1 hour ago, FishTank said:

What does FFS stand for?

"Free Floating Spool" which is what you'll find in the Zillion on up in the US market. They have a true dual bearing supported shouldered pinion and a short shaft spool. There's an extension shaft working out of the tension cap which provides spool tension adjustment. The Tat 300 is actually a hybrid with a typical Tatula long shaft, but it has true dual pinion support with a shouldered pinion. The picture I included earlier is a Tautla spool and pinion. It lacks the extended turned diameter shouldered pinion which would extend into the side plate and rest in a discreet pinion support. The Coastal 80's marketing claims led me to think they probably employed the same scheme as the Tat 300, but they didn't. 

[FishTank]

11 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

"Free Floating Spool" which is what you'll find in the Zillion on up in the US market. They have a true dual bearing supported shouldered pinion and a short shaft spool. There's an extension shaft working out of the tension cap which provides spool tension adjustment. The Tat 300 is actually a hybrid with a typical Tatula long shaft, but it has true dual pinion support with a shouldered pinion. The picture I included earlier is a Tautla spool and pinion. It lacks the extended turned diameter shouldered pinion which would extend into the side plate and rest in a discreet pinion. The Coastal 80's marketing claims led me to think they probably employed the same scheme as the Tat 300, but they didn't. 

 

I have all three so when the time comes I will take all three apart and see. 

[PhishLI]

5 minutes ago, FishTank said:

I have all three so when the time comes I will take all three apart and see. 

You could just take a look at the schematics.

 

[Tatulatard]

It's not real double support unless the pinion itself is inserted into a bearing. 

[PhishLI]

2 hours ago, Tatulatard said:

It's not real double support unless the pinion itself is inserted into a bearing or a bushing.

Fixed it.

[JediAmoeba]

I am surprised this reel is $250. But I am more surprised the Tatula 80 is $210. These reels are the same design as the Tatula CT and I don't think that reduction is size warrants a 60 dollar increase in price. 

[PhishLI]

15 minutes ago, JediAmoeba said:

These reels are the same design as the Tatula CT and I don't think that reduction is size warrants a 60 dollar increase in price. 

I'll pay an up-charge every day for a metal handle-side side plate.