Cody28 Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 Long story short. I’m in an ongoing debate with a buddy and would love some back up or explanation if I’m wrong. At the end of a long cast, you get decreased IPT due to the diameter of the spool + line decreasing and therefore bringing in less line per turn of the handle. This is obvious and we agree. Where we do not is how this effects very shallow spools (Daiwa Tatula Elite P/F or Lew’s Pro SP). He says he won’t use them because he gets such low IPT at the end of a cast if he needs anything longer than a pitch. I argue that you may not have much line left on, but you still have relatively equal IPT as other reels because the diameter that would be filled in with line is simply filled in by the wider diameter spool. Isn’t this obvious? Or am I the crazy one? 1 Quote
Super User MN Fisher Posted July 4, 2022 Super User Posted July 4, 2022 You are correct. The larger hub of the shallow spool takes the place of the backing...or any line beyond the length of the cast...in a standard spool. 3 Quote
QED Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 That all assumes that the effective spool width is the same. Sorry, theoretical math major, so boundary conditions matter to me. ? 2 2 Quote
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted July 4, 2022 Super User Posted July 4, 2022 Here we go again. I bet Jacob Wheeler, Jordan Lee, Edwin Evers, KVD, and any other professional angler have NEVER argued over something so trivial. But they are in the business of catching fish, not arguing over semantics. Some people should take note. Cliffs notes version: it doesn't matter. 6 1 Quote
Super User Tennessee Boy Posted July 4, 2022 Super User Posted July 4, 2022 It all depends on how sensitive the rod is.? 2 5 Quote
Super User Catt Posted July 4, 2022 Super User Posted July 4, 2022 6 hours ago, jbsoonerfan said: I bet Jacob Wheeler, Jordan Lee, Edwin Evers, KVD, and any other professional angler have NEVER argued over something so trivial. How much you willing to lose? I've been around quite a few Pros, they talk a lot of BS like us. Get around Shaw Grisby, the boy can not shut up! 4 2 Quote
Super User Deleted account Posted July 4, 2022 Super User Posted July 4, 2022 7 hours ago, QED said: That all assumes that the effective spool width is the same. Sorry, theoretical math major, so boundary conditions matter to me. ? This^. Assuming all other dimensions are the same, the diameter of the arbor will have no effect on the IPT at any given point in the cast. The one with the smaller arbor will cast further though... 1 Quote
Super User bulldog1935 Posted July 4, 2022 Super User Posted July 4, 2022 I'm a continuum mechanics weenie, which is how theoretical math works in the real world, and boundary conditions also include handle pitch (length), which always gets screwed up on BR. And no, I won't reply to incorrect arguments against my solid point. 4 Quote
Super User LrgmouthShad Posted July 4, 2022 Super User Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Deleted account said: arbor What the heck is an arbor 8 hours ago, QED said: effective spool width What the heck is effective spool width What the heck 1 3 Quote
Super User Deleted account Posted July 4, 2022 Super User Posted July 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said: I'm a continuum mechanics weenie, and boundary conditions also include handle pitch (length), which always gets screwed up on BR. And no, I won't reply to incorrect arguments against my solid point. Yeah, except that the PT in IPT stands for per turn, so no matter the length of the handle, the I won't change regardless how you pitch it... I am selling a lot of 165mm and shorter cranksets though... 9 minutes ago, LrgmouthShad said: What the heck is an arbor What the heck is effective spool width I'm signing up for Mandarin lessons today! 2 Quote
Super User LrgmouthShad Posted July 4, 2022 Super User Posted July 4, 2022 20 minutes ago, Deleted account said: I'm signing up for Mandarin lessons today! Learn Russian, much better 2 Quote
Super User Deleted account Posted July 4, 2022 Super User Posted July 4, 2022 Just now, LrgmouthShad said: Learn Russian, much better Sister in Law (1/2 brother's age) is Russian, I'm grandfathered in, and most of them speak English anyway, besides they are regional at best... Quote
Super User LrgmouthShad Posted July 4, 2022 Super User Posted July 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Deleted account said: Sister in Law (1/2 brother's age) is Russian, I'm grandfathered in, and most of them speak English anyway, besides they are regional at best... Merriam Webster Arbor: Spindle or axle of a wheel. So the shaft of a baitcaster around which the spool turns? Yeah I don’t think I see how that would affect IPT. But smaller diameter arbor, less surface contact to cause friction on a cast? Or perhaps less mechanical work to make it revolve quickly? Quote
Super User Tennessee Boy Posted July 4, 2022 Super User Posted July 4, 2022 19 minutes ago, LrgmouthShad said: Merriam Webster Arbor: Spindle or axle of a wheel. Arbor is also the surname of Ann Arbor, the head football coach at the University of Michigan. Or it could be the name of their mascot. I can’t remember.? Quote
Super User Deleted account Posted July 4, 2022 Super User Posted July 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, LrgmouthShad said: Merriam Webster Arbor: Spindle or axle of a wheel. Ever wonder why the arbor knot is called the arbor knot?... 1 Quote
Super User LrgmouthShad Posted July 4, 2022 Super User Posted July 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Deleted account said: Ever wonder why the arbor knot is called the arbor knot?... No, no I haven’t 4 minutes ago, Tennessee Boy said: Arbor is also the surname of Ann Arbor, the head football coach at the University of Michigan. Or it could be the name of their mascot, I can’t remember.? Technically a UofM fan since I was born in Mich but I fish too much anyways to follow sports so I guess that just makes me like an “honorable mention” fan. 1 Quote
Super User Deleted account Posted July 4, 2022 Super User Posted July 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, LrgmouthShad said: No, no I haven’t Ok, baby steps, have you heard of a large arbor fly reel?... 1 Quote
NavyToad Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 Go out to a field, pull out 50 yards of line, mark the line, and ask your friend to explain/justify his theory. 1 Quote
Super User Deleted account Posted July 4, 2022 Super User Posted July 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, NavyToad said: and ask your friend to explain/justify his theory. Alien technology, or meth.... 1 3 Quote
Super User LrgmouthShad Posted July 4, 2022 Super User Posted July 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Deleted account said: Ok, baby steps, have you heard of a large arbor fly reel?... No, no I haven’t 1 Quote
Super User Deleted account Posted July 4, 2022 Super User Posted July 4, 2022 1 minute ago, LrgmouthShad said: No, no I haven’t ... Quote
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redmeansdistortion Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, bulldog1935 said: I'm a continuum mechanics weenie, which is how theoretical math works in the real world, and boundary conditions also include handle pitch (length), which always gets screwed up on BR. And no, I won't reply to incorrect arguments against my solid point. That Zillion would be the bee's knees with a 140mm handle! ? 1 1 Quote
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