Tying leaders using 30# seaguar fluoro

[throttleplate]

Tying leaders today in fact many of them. To do so many at one time i wrap duct tape on 3 fingers to stop the line from cutting into my skin and also gives me grip when pulling tight. Im using 30# seaguar blue with a palomar knot.

 

 

 

30# seaguar blue is tough to cinch up so use alot of spit

 

To get the 30#  knot tight i use a pliers holding onto the tag end and use the snap end of a wire pike leader and put it into the clip or swivel end and hold tight onto the wire leader and pliers and pull.

 

 

This is the end result using the palomar knot.

 

 

my palomared leader complete

[Deleted account]

Those aren't snelled leaders, but more importantly "You have city hands Mr. Hooper, been counting money all your life"  

[jbrew73]

You might find that an actual snell knot is easier the cinch tight.

[throttleplate]

5 hours ago, Deleted account said:

Those aren't snelled leaders, but more importantly "You have city hands Mr. Hooper, been counting money all your life"  

 

Correct they are not actually snelled, maybe i should call them Palomared leaders. My hands are insured for 1/2 a million $$$$ as i am a hand model for Rolex and other high brand watches when i aint fishin and who is Mr. Hooper?

 

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, jbrew73 said:

You might find that an actual snell knot is easier the cinch tight.

 

That may be but i cant snell a touch-lok snap or a #6 vmc swivel.

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7 hours ago, throttleplate said:

 

Correct they are not actually snelled, maybe i should call them Palomared leaders. My hands are insured for 1/2 a million $$$$ as i am a hand model for Rolex and other high brand watches when i aint fishin 

 

LOL.

"It's Palmolive, you are soaking in it"...

 

 

[LrgmouthShad]

Is that seriously what a finished palomar looks like up close? It looks like a knot that someone who didn’t know how to tie a knot “invented”

[gim]

I’ve been using this exact line and test weight this season @throttleplate. It is tough to tie knots with because it’s so stiff. Last season I was using 20 pound test which wasn’t quite enough. Apparently they make a 25 pound test too so I may try that next. I will say that the 30 is very durable and is holding up well to the pack of pike teeth.

[Bass Rutten]

I use the springer knot on lines .40 mm or bigger, worth checking out, it’s an excellent knot for larger diameter line, fast easy and strong.

 

[throttleplate]

4 hours ago, gimruis said:

I’ve been using this exact line and test weight this season @throttleplate. It is tough to tie knots with because it’s so stiff. Last season I was using 20 pound test which wasn’t quite enough. Apparently they make a 25 pound test too so I may try that next. I will say that the 30 is very durable and is holding up well to the pack of pike teeth.

 

Hello gimruis, 2 years ago i was using 80#  leader because of the pike but that was just to bulky so i switched to 30# blue label and liked it except it cost $22.00 for 25 yards.

Then i went to abrasix 20# because of what i read about the abrasion characteristics and the cheaper price and thats held up on the lakes but on the river rocks it still gets shredded. I havnt broke off yet but do end up swapping out leaders during the day.

 I had a few feet of 30# remaining on a roll so i went back to using it just yesterday to make new leaders.

I will probably go back to it 100% next year. I had 2 bite offs this year on abrasix, a wackey rig and a tube on a cheap jig.

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3 hours ago, LrgmouthShad said:

Is that seriously what a finished palomar looks like up close? 

No.

[throttleplate]

3 hours ago, LrgmouthShad said:

Is that seriously what a finished palomar looks like up close? It looks like a knot that someone who didn’t know how to tie a knot “invented”

 

It is amazing what things look like under magnification. I took those pics with an old Cannon Power Shot, small fits in your hand camera.

7 minutes ago, Deleted account said:

No.

 You are probably confusing lrgemouthshad. Please show us what your 30# seaguar blue label palomar knot looks like magnified that you yourself tied, not some pic of one stolen off the internet. Then we can compare and critique are knots equally.

[LrgmouthShad]

45 minutes ago, throttleplate said:

You are probably confusing lrgemouthshad. Please show us what your 30# seaguar blue label palomar knot looks like magnified that you yourself tied, not some pic of one stolen off the internet. Then we can compare and critique are knots equally.

I actually wanna see what my palomar looks like when tied for research purposes. It might not surprise me if the palomar just looks weird when tied. 

[LrgmouthShad]

I took a close look. @throttleplate our palomar’s look different. In your top magnification photo, look right at the bottom of your knot. It is right there that I have two strands of line running parallel and snugged up against one another. From what I can spy, you have one line there and then an underhanging loop. 
 

I don’t know whose knot is correct, to be honest

 

Edit: added photo. The two red arrows are pointing to the two strands of line I have running. Imagine this flipped upside down and turned around. Then it is oriented the same way as your knot. I would have two strands of line running parallel underneath your knot

[gim]

1 hour ago, throttleplate said:

Hello gimruis, 2 years ago i was using 80#  leader because of the pike but that was just to bulky so i switched to 30# blue label and liked it except it cost $22.00 for 25 yards.

I use 80 pound pre tied fluoro leaders when I’m specifically muskie fishing. It’s bullet proof and can stand up to the iron jaw of a muskie.

 

80 pound fluoro is over kill for bass fishing IMO. It’s just so thick and stiff that it will reduce the action of most bass lures. You might consider trying 25 pound test in blue label. 30 pound works ok but it’s just a little stiff for me so I am going to try 25 next season. Eventually it will wear out, as you stated. But if you inspect it every once in a while and replace as needed, it works.

 

I should clarify that I only use it on my faster moving hard baits too. I use 8 or 10 pound Invisix on my finesse spinning setups. That stuff will get bit off by pike, but losing a soft plastic doesn’t bother me as much as losing a $15 hard bait.

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2 hours ago, throttleplate said:

 You are probably confusing lrgemouthshad. 

Not hard to do...  

[LrgmouthShad]

6 minutes ago, Deleted account said:

Not hard to do...  

I’m confused… what’s that supposed to mean? ?

[bulldog1935]

I use a perfection loop and loop on terminal - it's stronger than any single-bend knot.

 

[throttleplate]

13 hours ago, LrgmouthShad said:

I took a close look. @throttleplate our palomar’s look different. In your top magnification photo, look right at the bottom of your knot. It is right there that I have two strands of line running parallel and snugged up against one another. From what I can spy, you have one line there and then an underhanging loop. 
 

I don’t know whose knot is correct, to be honest

 

Edit: added photo. The two red arrows are pointing to the two strands of line I have running. Imagine this flipped upside down and turned around. Then it is oriented the same way as your knot. I would have two strands of line running parallel underneath your knot

 

I cant really tell by your pic whats going on. All i can tell ya is i am extremely confident in my palomar knot tying and take great care when i tie it.

Watch this video of jacob wheeler explaining his palomar knot.

 

[waymont]

I do the exact same thing with 30lb Blue Label.

I landed on the three wrap clinch knot, pulling tight with a pliers holding the swivel and the snap. Never had one come undone. 

[ErieCan]

I used to run 30 and 40lb fly leaders off a flasher for salmon. Short leaders 18"-24".  I always used an Orvis knot.  Easy to tie and very strong.  And it would end up very compact with such thick and stiff leader line.  

 

 

[Tail Slap]

I run a two pass thru eye uni knot 5 wraps.  Very quick and at least from my testing one of the strongest tackle connection knots.  For straight braid I double the wraps.  Makes a cleaner knot as well. Can be cut flush.

 

I think 30lb fluoro or mono is great for abrasion and teeth.  It's very popular for inland SW fishing as well. Things tend to be toothy and more sharp things to get cut off on.