TriStateBassin106 Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 In the next coming days I plan to restock my entire Texas rig and weightless worm hook arsenal, I use mostly gamakatsu size 3/0 and 4/0 EWGs and round bends in the same size I mentioned. I know some of you guys swear by red trebel hooks for stuff like cranks jerkbaits etc, but what about worm hooks? is there a difference with using red colored ewgs etc compared to black/nickle? any of you guys use them? 1 Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted July 1, 2022 Super User Posted July 1, 2022 When red first went trendy (10 years ago?) I loaded up. NEVER made one little bit of difference and EVERY hook that wasn't lost turned gold. 9 Quote
BayouSlide Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 1 minute ago, roadwarrior said: When red first went trendy (10 years ago?) I loaded up. NEVER made one little bit of difference and EVERY hook that wasn't lost turned gold. Same here. Now I just buy the uncolored. Quote
Global Moderator Mike L Posted July 1, 2022 Global Moderator Posted July 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, roadwarrior said: When red first went trendy (10 years ago?) I loaded up. NEVER made one little bit of difference and EVERY hook that wasn't lost turned gold. Ditto Mike Quote
Super User Jig Man Posted July 1, 2022 Super User Posted July 1, 2022 It was over 20 years ago around here. 1 Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted July 1, 2022 Super User Posted July 1, 2022 12 minutes ago, Jig Man said: It was over 20 years ago around here. Yeah, might have been twenty years. As I get "more mature" years and decades seem to merge. 2 3 Quote
Super User Jig Man Posted July 1, 2022 Super User Posted July 1, 2022 Only way I remember is one of my customers was big on them back when I sold boats and that was 20. Quote
Super User LrgmouthShad Posted July 1, 2022 Super User Posted July 1, 2022 I can’t say anything bad about gammi EWG’s but I recommend trying the mustad grip pins if you have not already Quote
Super User TOXIC Posted July 1, 2022 Super User Posted July 1, 2022 I used them for a while but I felt (no scientific proof) that the gamakatsu red ewg hooks, were weaker and rusted quicker. They also made them in green. 1 Quote
Super User WRB Posted July 1, 2022 Super User Posted July 1, 2022 The red hook fad has faded. Not a fan of any hook where the hook eye and point are aligned. Tom Quote
AmmoGuy Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, WRB said: Not a fan of any hook where the hook eye and point are aligned. Tom Can you elaborate on that? I don't think I could ask for a better hookup ratio than I get on T-rigged 4/0 Gammi EWG's (which, if I understand correctly are what you're describing?). I tried some standard VMC "ike approved" worm hooks for a few weeks earlier this year, and my hookups went down the toilet. EWG's for me from now on. Quote
Super User Bird Posted July 1, 2022 Super User Posted July 1, 2022 Aesthetics...... gotta have a red hook on a pearl fluke ? Quote
ghost Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 2 hours ago, roadwarrior said: Yeah, might have been twenty years. As I get "more mature" years and decades seem to merge. Amen Brother! Quote
Super User WRB Posted July 1, 2022 Super User Posted July 1, 2022 Draw a line from the hook point to the hook eye, if it’s even the hook set force pulls the covered with plastic straight out of the basses mouth. EWG hooks extra wide gap acts like a cam getting turned flat the basses mouth, another issue imo. A straight shank hook the hook point is the hook bend gap above the hook eye (ideal), hook set force pulls the hook point into the basses mouth. The only down side to a straight shank hook is learning how to keep the weedless worm straight or sliding down away from the eye. I peg the worm nose through the hook eye. Off set hook usually puts the hook point about 25% of the hook bend above the hook eye. This design allows the hook point to be skin hooked and remains straight. Tom 4 Quote
ironbjorn Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 I tried hard to believe in this but I've never noticed a bit of difference in hindsight and haven't used them at all this year Quote
AmmoGuy Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 13 minutes ago, WRB said: Draw a line from the hook point to the hook eye, if it’s even the hook set force pulls the covered with plastic straight out of the basses mouth. EWG hooks extra wide gap acts like a cam getting turned flat the basses mouth, another issue imo. A straight shank hook the hook point is the hook bend gap above the hook eye (ideal), hook set force pulls the hook point into the basses mouth. The only down side to a straight shank hook is learning how to keep the weedless worm straight or sliding down away from the eye. I peg the worm nose through the hook eye. Off set hook usually puts the hook point about 25% of the hook bend above the hook eye. This design allows the hook point to be skin hooked and remains straight. Tom 10-4. I thought that's what you were alluding to, just wasn't sure. And on paper, I agree with you. However, for what it's worth (not much), my experience in the real world is the exact opposite. Any time I stray from Gammi or VMC EWG's I notice a marked negative change in the ability to get fished hooked. I don't know why EWG's work as well as they do, but they do (for me at least). I've even gone to the HD VMC ewgs for most of my creature pitching. They work beautify, and missing a meaningful bite is rare. 2 Quote
ironbjorn Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, AmmoGuy said: 10-4. I thought that's what you were alluding to, just wasn't sure. And on paper, I agree with you. However, for what it's worth (not much), my experience in the real world is the exact opposite. Any time I stray from Gammi or VMC EWG's I notice a marked negative change in the ability to get fished hooked. I don't know why EWG's work as well as they do, but they do (for me at least). I've even gone to the HD VMC ewgs for most of my creature pitching. They work beautify, and missing a meaningful bite is rare. I will never understand the EWG low hookup ratio claim. They're the best hooks for all my fishing, especially Gamakatsu. 4 Quote
Super User N Florida Mike Posted July 1, 2022 Super User Posted July 1, 2022 I have used the red ewg hooks and did fine with them. Eventually I went back to the bronze ones. I have no problem with hook ups either way, but I do best with a straight shank hook for worms, and a ewg hook for flukes and creature baits. Eagle claw has a red ewg hook, but my hookups went down using them. They don’t seem as sharp as gammys, and they have kind of a weird shape.( The hook point is bent more towards the shaft it seems. Quote
Cbump Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 4 hours ago, AmmoGuy said: 10-4. I thought that's what you were alluding to, just wasn't sure. And on paper, I agree with you. However, for what it's worth (not much), my experience in the real world is the exact opposite. Any time I stray from Gammi or VMC EWG's I notice a marked negative change in the ability to get fished hooked. I don't know why EWG's work as well as they do, but they do (for me at least). I've even gone to the HD VMC ewgs for most of my creature pitching. They work beautify, and missing a meaningful bite is rare. Never bought in to that either. If It was a real problem, no one would buy them and companies would reengineer. Quote
Super User MN Fisher Posted July 2, 2022 Super User Posted July 2, 2022 Red hooks, gold hooks, pink hooks. I stick with basic black. (Now here comes John to tell us about color coordinating again ) 1 Quote
Super User WRB Posted July 2, 2022 Super User Posted July 2, 2022 EWG hooks are weaker per wire diameter a very flexible hook design. The hook gap doesn’t need to be any greater then 2X the soft plastics diameter...if the head end stays near the hook eye. Today we have center spring hooks and grip pin pins to hold soft plastic on the hook eye. These designs are stronger and do not flex hook setting. What you don’t see is red hooks offered. Tom 1 Quote
Phelptwan Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 I've been buying them because it's easier for ME to see... 1 1 Quote
throttleplate Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 6 hours ago, N Florida Mike said: but I do best with a straight shank hook for worms, and a ewg hook for flukes and creature baits. I was using ewg spiral lock hooks for my flukes but had to stop because the angle from the spiral coming off the hook eye to the tip of hook point doesnt line up properly. When trying to texpose the hook point the point doesnt want to stay in the plastic, always popping out due to the angle. I am back to using regular ewg hooks. 1 Quote
GetFishorDieTryin Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 The problem with bleed hooks is that coating comes relatively fast especially if you need to use pliers. I've heard from a few guys that are JB wizards claim that replacing the lead treble with a bleed hook helps all the way to them being essential in tournament situations. So I'm inclined to believe theres something to it. If I was sponsored and had all the hooks and JBs I wanted I would try it for sure. I could see myself doing it in a tournament, but for not for everyday rec. 1 Quote
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