Help for Vanford Series Chose

[JustJames]

I guess old day with tiny spinning reel for UL fishing might have change.

no doubt this guy is phenomenal in trout fishing both BFS and even spinning. He was using Stella 2000 and vanquish 2000 so I guess 500 is only for US persons indeed. I guess Japan market have gone to different would than us.

 

[bulldog1935]

@Bass_Fishing_SoCal At least part of the purpose for Alcedo Micron was to feel under-gunned with a flimsy, short, para-taper UL rod on small trout and panfish.  The closest reel to it that's made today is Tica Cetus, though generations improved. 

People today will still choose short para-taper stream rods, but the flimsy is gone. 

Thanks fo Japanese shore fishermen, the more typical finesse rod today is a longer progressive taper, which have real power as you move down the rod, also why they have much wider lure weight range, and can still protect 2-lb mono. 

A dozen years ago, matched our first salt finesse rods with Cetus and 4-lb Kamikaze salt copolymer from Oz - still the best UL mono line I've ever used.  

Didn't take long to discover this tackle was anything but flimsy, and difficult to out-gun. 

 

On 6/23/2022 at 6:32 AM, bulldog1935 said:

I bought a pair of XUL rockfish rods from Japan to pick up where Zebo UL-1 and Eagle Claw Featherlite left off.  They added great light-rig reach to the edge of the lights over Falcon UL rod and Penn 4200SS.  They have solid tip for protecting 2-lb test, and weave-graphite butt for fish-turning power. 

One summer night watching massive specs milling over submerged green canal lights and occasionally flaring to scoop tiny mullet, I had to break out one of the rods and jig up a big spec on 2" swim shad.  Discovered that night this XUL tackle had the backbone to land a 22" and a 23" speckled trout. 

 

Where we've really honed this is winter glass minnows in tide passes up the coast, and Arroyo Colorado barge channel in far south Texas. 

 

Certainly the reels we're discussing here, Shimano C2000S, are next to impossible to out-gun. 

[redmeansdistortion]

Keep in mind some of the JDM 2000 size reels are often a 1000 with a larger spool.  The rest remains the same with the exception of the handle in some cases.  The 1000 spools are usually designed for razor thin #0.2 to #0.4 line and fishing for smelt, horse mackerel, and area (stocked) trout.  With the 2000s, those are intended for #0.4 to #0.6 and geared more towards wild trout and rockfish.  This is part of the allure of Japanese reels for me, they seem to be more specialized whereas US market stuff tends to take on a one size fits most approach.

[bulldog1935]

actually, all the JDM Shimano 2000, and one of the 2500 reels are the small frame reel. 

Again, it's confused by the export markets, because the USM 1000 reels are JDM 2000 reels.

You may be able to make out the slight difference in spool diameter here, but that's Vanquish C2000S with an F6 mono spool on the left, and Stradic JDM C1000S on the right.  The spool diameters are 43 mm (2000) and 40 mm (1000).  The 2500 spools are 47 mm diameter, whether they're shorter stroke for small frame (S-27) or longer stroke for medium frame (S-20)

Also worth noting, the small frame Shimano has the same over-qualified Stella A/R roller bearing clutch that's in the large frame reels; same BB line roller, fine-tooth gears with increased diameter compared to previous models, stiffened spindles, worm drive.  It's shorter pitch to match the size and keep it light, but everything is just as tough as the large frame reel.   If you really need to tackle the drag, that's do-able, too - both reels above have MTCW TD drag knobs, which are made only for small-frame reels. 

[Tail Slap]

Here are all the different size spools that fit the 1000 or small shimano body size of the long stroke spool family of reels (spools with a 13.5mm Stroke and 40-43mm diameter).  This includes 18 Stella FJ, 19 Stradic FL, 19 Vanquish, 20 Vanford F, and I think the  21 Sustain FL (please confirm last). You also have the aftermarket yumeya spools of same sizes.

 

As can be seen there is certainly plenty of choices for spool size for these 1000 body reels.  In fact I would say they have the most choice of any group of reels of one size body.  I know of no other spinning reel that has the option of 6 different spool sizes for line capacity. 

 

1000SSS : pe: 0.3-120, 0.4-90 Diameter : 40mm / Stroke: 13.5mm
C2000SSS : pe: 0.3-140, 0.4-100 , 0.6-80 Diameter : 43mm / Stroke: 13.5mm
1000S : pe: 0.6-140, 0.8-100, 1-70 Diameter : 40mm / Stroke: 13.5mm
C2000S : pe: 0.6-150, 0.8-110, 1-80 Diameter : 43mm / Stroke: 13.5mm
C2500S : pe: 0.6-200, 0.8-150, 1-120 Diameter : 43mm / Stroke: 13.5mm
1000 : pe: 0.8-240, 1-190 Diameter : 40mm / Stroke: 13.5mm

 

 

 

[JustJames]

You are right the 1000 is 40mm where as my C2000 is 43m a tad larger diameter. Not sure about Shimano but my Daiwa C2500 is 45mm  if I remember correctly make it harder to just swap spool since bail arm might interfere.

 

 

[Tail Slap]

The 40 and 43 seem to swap fine on the shimanos.  I think if you check schematics they run the same rotor and bail parts.  

[JustJames]

I’m talking about C2500 even though they are using the same body as 1000 but the larger spool requires different bail arm, not sure about Shimano.

And yes I swap spool between 1000/2000 all the time.