This happened while cleaning a reel

[newapti5]

I was cleaning a Shimano reel, and this happened. Luckily, I have a spare from another reel. Lesson learned - don't rub it too hard while cleaning ?

 

 

[Bird]

Did you take off the handle side ? Lol

[LCG]

I love those $1 parts but $10 shipping

[Chris Catignani]

Oh wow....I just bought some carbon drag washers...

[GreenPig]

OH SNAP! It'll work fine, put back together. ?

[newapti5]

3 hours ago, Bird said:

Did you take off the handle side ? Lol

 

Oh I did more than that. It's actually an annual maintenance cleaning/weekend pastime, but this time I broke a piece that I didn't expect to?. I did get the chance to change the level wind bushing to a bearing while at it though. 

 

  

[WRB]

Smooth Drags Carbontix are inexpensive upgrade.

Tom

[txchaser]

11 hours ago, newapti5 said:

 

Oh I did more than that. It's actually an annual maintenance cleaning/weekend pastime, but this time I broke a piece that I didn't expect to?. I did get the chance to change the level wind bushing to a bearing while at it though. 

 

  

 

For me, this image is the opening shot to a horror film.

 

[Eric 26]

26 minutes ago, txchaser said:

 

For me, this image is the opening shot to a horror film.

 

Im laughing right now but I’m in total agreement.

[TOXIC]

Nothing like the feeling of disassembling a reel, cleaning it, putting it back together and then seeing a small directional washer laying on the towel and you have no idea where it went. 

[newapti5]

4 hours ago, txchaser said:

 

For me, this image is the opening shot to a horror film.

 

 

But inside is the fun part?. Also, you get to see which reel is truly the best value. Look at the inside of a Daiwa SV103. With all those metal parts and riveted pinion supports, you can see why it feels like a tank. 

 

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, TOXIC said:

Nothing like the feeling of disassembling a reel, cleaning it, putting it back together and then seeing a small directional washer laying on the towel and you have no idea where it went. 

 

Been there, done that ?. Screws are worse - they all look alike. 

[GreenPig]

32 minutes ago, newapti5 said:

 

But inside is the fun part?. Also, you get to see which reel is truly the best value. Look at the inside of a Daiwa SV103. With all those metal parts and riveted pinion supports, you can see why it feels a tank. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Been there, done that ?. Screws are worse - they all look alike. 

Oh I love some snap rings. Those jokers can really fly to not have wings.

[DogBone_384]

2 hours ago, TOXIC said:

Nothing like the feeling of disassembling a reel, cleaning it, putting it back together and then seeing a small directional washer laying on the towel and you have no idea where it went. 

…. Delaware …. Valley …. Tackle ….

[Tatulatard]

7 hours ago, newapti5 said:

 

But inside is the fun part?. Also, you get to see which reel is truly the best value. Look at the inside of a Daiwa SV103. With all those metal parts and riveted pinion supports, you can see why it feels like a tank. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Been there, done that ?. Screws are worse - they all look alike. 

These are nice.  This is the old zillion daiwa called the sv103 for a while.  This is not a tatula sv103 before anyone gets any ideas.

[JustJames]

Same thing happened to me when cleaning old Luna 253. I made sure to rub it gently but the drag is pretty thin compare to carbontex in newer reels.

Look inside your reel and bring back memory. Love the Daiwa smoothness but hate the full service. Just to get to frame bearing everything has to come off. Still have parts of Alphas SV105 laying around unassembled. I could make a good working reel with those but just too lazy.

[bulldog1935]

I'll add that if I'm going into a reel, I'll already have drag washers on hand, and maybe new compositions that I want to try, such as YZ-Craft, Valleyhill, Haneda Craft. 

e.g., in my 1500C, Haneda Craft fiber washers added 50% again to the drag capacity. 

Valleyhill no-lube V-Trap drag washers added significant drag to my CT surf reels. 

 

[redmeansdistortion]

4 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

I'll add that if I'm going into a reel, I'll already have drag washers on hand, and maybe new compositions that I want to try, such as YZ-Craft, Valleyhill, Haneda Craft. 

e.g., in my 1500C, Haneda Craft fiber washers added 50% again to the drag capacity. 

Valleyhill no-lube V-Trap drag washers added significant drag to my CT surf reels. 

 

This makes me genuinely curious.  How do you increase drag capacity without increasing surface area?  I was always under the impression the two were mutually exclusive.  Does the other material have a more coarse weave making it less inclined to slip or something?  If so, wouldn't that hamper smoothness?

[MN Fisher]

3 minutes ago, redmeansdistortion said:

This makes me genuinely curious.  How do you increase drag capacity without increasing surface area?  I was always under the impression the two were mutually exclusive.  Does the other material have a more coarse weave making it less inclined to slip or something?  If so, wouldn't that hamper smoothness?

I upgraded all my reels that had oil-felt to carbon-fiber. A little Cals on the washer and not only did I increase drag strength, I didn't loose smoothness. Without Cals, you'll increase the drag more, but possibly loose the start-up smoothness.

[bulldog1935]

45 minutes ago, redmeansdistortion said:

This makes me genuinely curious.  How do you increase drag capacity without increasing surface area?  I was always under the impression the two were mutually exclusive.  Does the other material have a more coarse weave making it less inclined to slip or something?  If so, wouldn't that hamper smoothness?

In the case of the 1500C, it arrived from Don Iovino with new carbontex drag washers. 

I couldn't get the 1-1/2 lb drag I wanted for 6-lb leader.  I was back inside to add BB-pinion alignment. 

The Haneda Craft washers seems to be a fiberglass composite, they're just slightly thicker than the carbon.  Smoothness of felt, and increased drag to beyond 2-1/2 lbs - way more than I need in the little reel.  Beyond smooth. 

 

Carbontex is not the last word in drag washers. 

I can get 5 lbs drag on carbontex, and that's more than you need in most applications.  My CT reels easily dialed in to 7 lbs with the dry (required) Valleyhill washers.  If you've ever been there, that's honking drag, but it's also smooth and repeatable. If you want a guess, the V-Trap washers are a blend of ceramic particles in resin matrix, and just right for this application. 

 

Haven't tried the YZ-Craft composition in Daiwa, but will.  If you limit yourself to felt and carbontex, that makes up your complete experience base for the topic. 

[redmeansdistortion]

31 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

In the case of the 1500C, it arrived from Don Iovino with new carbontex drag washers. 

I couldn't get the 1-1/2 lb drag I wanted for 6-lb leader.  I was back inside to add BB-pinion alignment. 

The Haneda Craft washers seems to be a fiberglass composite, they're just slightly thicker than the carbon.  Smoothness of felt, and increased drag to beyond 2-1/2 lbs - way more than I need in the little reel.  Beyond smooth. 

 

Carbontex is not the last word in drag washers. 

I can get 5 lbs drag on carbontex, and that's more than you need in most applications.  My CT reels easily dialed in to 7 lbs with the dry (required) Valleyhill washers.  If you've ever been there, that's honking drag, but it's also smooth and repeatable. If you want a guess, the V-Trap washers are a blend of ceramic particles in resin matrix, and just right for this application. 

 

Haven't tried the YZ-Craft composition in Daiwa, but will.  If you limit yourself to felt and carbontex, that makes up your complete experience base for the topic. 

Thanks for the explanation, much appreciated.  I got some woven flax fiber sheets I intend to try for drag material, just haven't gotten around to punching washers yet.  I got some 0.5mm, 0.7mm, and 1mm sheets from a place in Colorado that builds race car components from it.  It's a more rigid material and better vibration dampening characteristics than carbon fiber.  The jury is out on how well it will or will not work for drag material, but experimenting will be fun.

[Bankc]

I feel for you.  But I do a lot of small mechanical repair and maintenance, and let me tell you, that's nothing.  I've had to remake broken or lost springs, cut new gears from bronze and nylon, and even cast parts out of aluminum.  And I don't even have the professional tools to do all of this with, so everything is DIY.  My foundry is a bucket full of POP and charcoal briquets powered by a hair dryer.  

[bulldog1935]

New phosphor-bronze spring for a 100-y-o Talbot before cutting to final length. 

Worth more than the effort. 

[Big-Bass]

On 6/12/2022 at 10:12 PM, Tatulatard said:

These are nice.  This is the old zillion daiwa called the sv103 for a while.  This is not a tatula sv103 before anyone gets any ideas.

The SV103H and SV103XS came out in 2015 for a limited time and were discontinued in 2017.  They retailed for $299.99 and had brass gears, aluminum body and sideplates, and a 34mm spool (like the TD-Z, Steez, etc.) instead of the 36mm spool of the OG Zillion (and TD-Z 100M).  They were also made in Japan like the older Zillion reels.  They were also only made for the U.S. market with no Japanese counterpart.  As I have said on here before, they are my favorite reels and use them often and have a few still NIB as I feel the quality of this reel is better than most on the market now (aside from the 21 Calcutta Conquest).  Plus the upgrade (fun) parts can make the reel even more enjoyable to fish.