Help with EXTREMELY coiled line

[shawnh6243]

Just spooled my spinning reel up with 8lb sunline super fluorocarbon. The line seems to have low memory and comes of the spool with no tangles. Where the problem starts is when a fish pulls drag. The line develops tight coils at the rod tip. I am not reeling under drag because I know that twists the line. I’ve inspected my tip for scratches or chips and it’s smooth as can be. I literally have no clue what is causing it. 

[bulldog1935]

First question is whether your drag is properly set. 

If it's set so high that you're drawing (stretching) the line as it bends over the tip guide, it changes the physical structure of the line polymer. 

If you could look at it on a microscope, you would see overall thinner line with thicker nodes every fraction of a mm.  Each of those nodes is where the polymer chains are coiling up under strain.  (I do this for a living, including analyzing plastic failures.) 

 

For 8-lb line, I would set the drag to 2 lbs - I always use a spring balance at the guide closest to the reel.  This, at least as long as the rod is rated for 8 lbs.  If the max rod line rating is lower, drag should be set to 1/4 of that amount to protect the rod. 

 

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[Nelson Delaney]

How did you spool the line on?  Did you lay the spool flat on the ground?  

[DogBone_384]

 

 

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[shawnh6243]

The rod is a medium light 7ft rated for 6-14lb line and a 2000 size reel. Checked with a scale and my drag was set at 2.4 lbs. Turned it down to 1.5 lbs and I am still experiencing horrible coiling but it does get better the more I turn down the drag. Is it possible that I got a bad spool of line? 

[shawnh6243]

1 hour ago, Nelson Delaney said:

How did you spool the line on?  Did you lay the spool flat on the ground?  

I use a line spooler specifically made for spinning reels. Been using it for a while with other brands of fluoro with no issues. 

[shawnh6243]

1 hour ago, DogBone_384 said:

 

 

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Pretty sure the issue isn’t line twist but I will try this 

[DogBone_384]

8 hours ago, shawnh6243 said:

I will try this

Good luck with it.

[garroyo130]

Sounds like the culprit may be a bad roller bearing. Check to make sure it spins freely and clean/oil if needed.

[MN Fisher]

5 minutes ago, garroyo130 said:

Sounds like the culprit may be a bad roller bearing. Check to make sure it spins freely and clean/oil if needed.

He doesn't say what model his reel is - could be that it's a bushing instead of a bearing under the line-roller.

[mrpao]

Line on a spinning reel will normally develop twist as you use it. The type of lure may encourage line twist due to it spinning back on the retreive. Inline spinners and weightless worms are really bad at creating more than usual line twist. Using a swivel will help.

I normally walk out my spinning reel line in my yard either before or after a trip to get the twist out before the next trip.

Using line conditioner will also help. I normally spray some KVD conditioner on reel spools before a trip. It does help to keep the line more manageable.

[PressuredFishing]

Stretch it our at a park on a tree or pre soak spools in water

[shawnh6243]

On 5/29/2022 at 8:37 AM, MN Fisher said:

He doesn't say what model his reel is - could be that it's a bushing instead of a bearing under the line-roller.

Reel is a shimano vanford. Definitely a bearing lol 

[shawnh6243]

On 5/29/2022 at 1:29 PM, mrpao said:

Line on a spinning reel will normally develop twist as you use it. The type of lure may encourage line twist due to it spinning back on the retreive. Inline spinners and weightless worms are really bad at creating more than usual line twist. Using a swivel will help.

I normally walk out my spinning reel line in my yard either before or after a trip to get the twist out before the next trip.

Using line conditioner will also help. I normally spray some KVD conditioner on reel spools before a trip. It does help to keep the line more manageable.

Never thrown an inline spinner, weightless worm, or casting spoon on this rod. It’s my dedicated ned rig rod. I’m familiar with spinning reels and the the memory they develop. I also always use KVD line conditioner on fluoro, great stuff. I’ve used other brands of fluoro on this rod with no issues. I also frequently walk my line out in my yard. If I tie my line to a heavy object and pull drag tight coils develop at my rod tip(2lbs of drag). Almost like when you run a ribbon against a blade and it makes it curly. The coils are about a 1/4 inch in diameter and so tight they’re almost touching. I’ve had 10lb mono sitting on spinning reels for years with less coils 

On 5/29/2022 at 8:30 AM, garroyo130 said:

Sounds like the culprit may be a bad roller bearing. Check to make sure it spins freely and clean/oil if needed.

Definitely not a bad roller bearing. Coils develop at the rod tip. I did double check just to make sure and it spins freely. 

[Tatulatard]

On 5/29/2022 at 1:35 PM, PressuredFishing said:

Stretch it our at a park on a tree or pre soak spools in water

And people say guys who use bfs reels are funny.  Egg beaters are on another level of weird. 

 

[VolFan]

Check to make sure you went through the eyelets on all the guides. Sometimes it gets through the frame and can do exactly what you’re describing.

[dodgeguy]

8 hours ago, shawnh6243 said:

Never thrown an inline spinner, weightless worm, or casting spoon on this rod. It’s my dedicated ned rig rod. I’m familiar with spinning reels and the the memory they develop. I also always use KVD line conditioner on fluoro, great stuff. I’ve used other brands of fluoro on this rod with no issues. I also frequently walk my line out in my yard. If I tie my line to a heavy object and pull drag tight coils develop at my rod tip(2lbs of drag). Almost like when you run a ribbon against a blade and it makes it curly. The coils are about a 1/4 inch in diameter and so tight they’re almost touching. I’ve had 10lb mono sitting on spinning reels for years with less coils 

Definitely not a bad roller bearing. Coils develop at the rod tip. I did double check just to make sure and it spins freely. 

You answered your own question. Put another brand on that you haven't had problems with on it. If it still does it then it's the reel. If not it's the line.

[Tim Kelly]

I had a similar issue with Sufix advanced mono in 6lb. Coiled hopelessly when pulled through the tip ring under tension. Others seem to like the line, but it absolutely didn't work for me. I just use a different brand and have no issues now. I don't have the answer why, just the solution.

 

[casts_by_fly]

8 hours ago, VolFan said:

Check to make sure you went through the eyelets on all the guides. Sometimes it gets through the frame and can do exactly what you’re describing.

 

and while you're doing that, double check that you didn't lose/break the ceramic ring on the tip top.  The ceramic rings have a nice smooth, large diameter for  line to slide and roll off of.  If its just the metal you'd definitely cause this problem.