The Toit Knot?

[Yuddzy]

Has anyone come across this knot on YouTube? It's similar to some other knots, but appears to outperform almost all of them in an actual rigorous break testing procedure. The strength on monofilament in the typical poundage used for bass is incredibly high. (Relevant Video Linked of Break Testing, you can also find how to tie it on the same channel) 

Any thoughts? Necessary? Too much effort? Marginal Gain? I don't know fellas, you tell me what you think. 

 

[garroyo130]

This is a trilene knot with more wraps up top. I really don't see how this is an improvement over that. Its also super sketch that his own knot is the strongest ... who wouldve guessed his tshirt and youtube channel name would predict the winner? 

[Yuddzy]

1 hour ago, garroyo130 said:

This is a trilene knot with more wraps up top. I really don't see how this is an improvement over that. Its also super sketch that his own knot is the strongest ... who wouldve guessed his tshirt and youtube channel name would predict the winner? 

It is quite similar, but different enough to be distinct. Many knots resemble eachother closely. 

 

I thought it seemed odd that his knot would win as well, abeit it does make somewhat sense that he'd be able to modify past knots for better strength? The equipment and procedure he's using for all of this is beyond anything used for knot testing that I've seen around so far. The channel seems dedicated to this sort of thing. 

Edited May 11, 2022 by Yuddzy
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[WRB]

Very different then the Trilene knot. More similar to the San Diego Jam knot but more tedious to tie properly.

Try it Mikey you might like it?

Tom

[Mike L]

Every time a new or not well known knot comes along it’s touted as the “strongest”

 

I’m well past the experimenting stage. 
 

Palomar or SDJ is good enough for me. 
 

 

 

 

 

Mike

 

[T-Billy]

4 minutes ago, Mike L said:

Every time a new or not well known knot comes along it’s touted as the “strongest”

 

I’m well past the experimenting stage. 
 

Palomar or SDJ is good enough for me. 
 

 

 

 

 

Mike

Yup. Palomar and Trilene here. Both have served me well for decades  Alberto on those rare occasions I use a leader.

[MN Fisher]

5 minutes ago, Mike L said:

Every time a new or not well known knot comes along it’s touted as the “strongest”

 

I’m well past the experimenting stage. 
 

Palomar or SDJ is good enough for me.

 

Mike

The place I look at for knot testing is Salt Strong.

 

Still, the MK knot hasn't failed me yet for terminal attachment and the FG is still my go-to when I want to tie a leader on.

[Yuddzy]

8 minutes ago, Mike L said:

Every time a new or not well known knot comes along it’s touted as the “strongest”

 

I’m well past the experimenting stage. 
 

Palomar or SDJ is good enough for me. 
 

 

 

 

 

Mike

 

I have to agree in terms of what I'll use in the future. Those two knots, the arbor knot, and a line to line knot are all I need.

I just find it interesting that there's a small channel out there getting more into the actual details of fishing knots and testing out how they stack up for different line types. 

[garroyo130]

8 minutes ago, Yuddzy said:

I just find it interesting that there's a small channel out there getting more into the actual details of fishing knots and testing out how they stack up for different line types. 

 

[Yuddzy]

2 minutes ago, garroyo130 said:

 

This is similar, but nowhere near as in depth from what I can see. 

[MN Fisher]

5 minutes ago, Yuddzy said:

This is similar, but nowhere near as in depth from what I can see. 

North American Fishing is a here again-gone again group that's currently owned by some Russian investors. Many complaints about bias from members/former members of their 'Club'. They haven't even put a vid out in six years and their 'registered' website is 'not found'.

[Deleted account]

Through the eye twice uni knot will outperform any knot if you cinch it toit...

[Hulkster]

I havent found anything stronger than the Palomar knot for mono. 

[Big Rick]

This Toit Knot answers questions I'm not even asking. It's trying to solve problems I don't have. 

 

I'll pass. 

[Revival]

You know it’s overkill when you need a tool just to cinch it down.

[NHBull]

A "twice through" the eye Uni has Never failed me.  If it's not broke.......

[Junk Fisherman]

Been tying the Trilene knot for years.  It's easy, fast, reliable, and strong.  I've played around with other knots but not anymore.  Now if you find me an easy dropshot knot, I'd be interested.  (And the Palomar is not it.) 

[BrianMDTX]

I tie the IC a lot. Like 90% of my knots on hooks and lures are IC. I use Palomars on dropshots. I have no need for most other knots. 

[Dash Riprock]

3 hours ago, Junk Fisherman said:

Been tying the Trilene knot for years.  It's easy, fast, reliable, and strong.  I've played around with other knots but not anymore.  Now if you find me an easy dropshot knot, I'd be interested.  (And the Palomar is not it.) 

I don't fish a drop shot rig very often so I've only tied a handful of these, but it's fairly intuitive and idiot proof, which is the main thing I look for in a knot. You can't really mess up the direction the hook points, so you don't have to futz with it at the end like I did when I tried a Palomar drop shot. 

 

 

[Junk Fisherman]

17 minutes ago, Dash Riprock said:

I don't fish a drop shot rig very often so I've only tied a handful of these, but it's fairly intuitive and idiot proof, which is the main thing I look for in a knot. You can't really mess up the direction the hook points, so you don't have to futz with it at the end like I did when I tried a Palomar drop shot. 

 

 

 

Thanks.  Pretty sure that is the knot that I was really excited about but had multiple breakoffs with.  I went back to the Aaron Martens recommended doubled improved clinch knot which is a pain to tie but has proven to be reliable.  

[new2BC4bass]

On 5/12/2022 at 7:59 AM, Deleted account said:

Through the eye twice uni knot will outperform any knot if you cinch it toit...

 

On 5/13/2022 at 6:52 AM, NHBull said:

A "twice through" the eye Uni has Never failed me.  If it's not broke.......

 

I've used the regular Uni Knot since I was a teenager....so for about 60 years.  Occasionally I will go "twice through".  Never felt the need for a better knot although I am willing to try others just for the heck of it.

[Deleted account]

31 minutes ago, new2BC4bass said:

I've used the regular Uni Knot since I was a teenager....so for about 60 years.  Occasionally I will go "twice through".  Never felt the need for a better knot although I am willing to try others just for the heck of it.

The uni knot is very strong and one of the easiest and quickest knots to tie, the palomar is an excellent knot, and on hooks or other small terminal tackle just as easy, and it's just a tad stronger than the uni. The twice through the eye uni is a tad stronger than the palomar, and not as clumsy with large lures or trebles, and leaves a much shorter tag. 

Recently I got a spool of Izorline XXX to see if it might replace my dwindling supply of AN40. I tested 15 lb Izor against 15 lb BG by tying a 5 turn uni on either side of a salt water swivel, and pulling either end till failure, interesting results,

On a steady pull the Izor beat the BG, not surprising, as it's got a slightly larger diameter.

On an impact test, where slack is pulled quickly with about a 20" length, BG beat Izor, 

And..... Once tested with either test, the winner lost to the other line when the test was repeated without retying the winner, regardless of which line it was.

 

[Axle]

I haven't tried this knot, but have watched a lot of this guy's videos. He tests most of the popular knots out there in a scientific way, with much better equipment then I have access to. If you like to nerd out about fishing line and knots, you will love his channel!

 

You can just fast forward to the comparison charts if you want. He also has good tips for number of wraps for various types and weights of line.

 

One of the most surprising things I have learned from his videos is how weak most of the braid to leader knots really are.

 

I have no affiliation with him, but have learned a lot more from his videos then I have from the endless "which knot is best" threads.

[Unk]

The Toit knot seems to be similar to what I've been calling the improved trilene ( because it is the same modificaton as a clinch to an improved clinch ) . Only difference is the Toit knot uses more loops or rotations in the final phase . I would think the Toit knot would be very difficult to tighten down properly when you're out in the real world ??

[MickD]

On 5/13/2022 at 9:11 AM, Junk Fisherman said:

Been tying the Trilene knot for years.  It's easy, fast, reliable, and strong.  I've played around with other knots but not anymore.  Now if you find me an easy dropshot knot, I'd be interested.  (And the Palomar is not it.) 

Have you tried the VMC spinshots or other rigged drop shot hooks?  I really like them.