Compact SV reel capable of punching

[Bandersnatch]

Looking for a reel that’s small in size, has the sv spool and can handle punching and frogging. I prefer more of the steez ct size than the tatulla. The handle can be upgraded. 
 

 

[Tatulatard]

Tatula 70 SV or alphas 800.  Both are the same size as the steez ct.  Both are the same reel with the tatula not having a double supported pinion but a us warranty.   

[WRB]

Shimano SLK or Curado MGL 70 has aluminum frame that can handle braid for both punching and frogging at a reasonable price point.

Tom

 

[PhishLI]

2 hours ago, WRB said:

Shimano SLX or Curado MGL 70

Shimano SV? 

[FishTank]

I have the Steez SV and it will work for punching but it's not a winch. The reel has some flex to it which I don't care for when punching. The heaviest weight I have used was a 3/4oz punch weight with a beaver. It was ok but not my first choice. I prefer to use this reel for T-rigged plastic with up to a 1/4 oz bullet weight. As far as a reel that is the size of the Steez CT that can handle those heavier weights.... the Antares 70A. The only issue would be line capacity if you want to cast it any distance with line bigger than 17lb.  I have had no issues casting both light bait and heavy baits with this reel.  The key will be to find a punch rod that balances well with the reel you want to use. 

[QED]

5 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

Looking for a reel that’s small in size, has the sv spool and can handle punching and frogging. I prefer more of the steez ct size than the tatulla. The handle can be upgraded. 
 

 

 

Steez CT SV TW.  A bit spendy though - but worth it.

[Tatulatard]

15 minutes ago, FishTank said:

I have the Steez SV and it will work for punching but it's not winch. The reel has some flex to it which I don't care for when punching. The heaviest weight I have used was a 3/4oz punch weight with a beaver. It was ok but not my first choice. I prefer to use this reel for T-rigged plastic with up to a 1/4 oz bullet weight. As far as a reel that is the size of the Steez CT that can handle those heavier weights.... the Antares 70A. The only issue would be line capacity if you want to cast it any distance with line bigger than 17lb.  I have had no issues casting both light bait and heavy baits with this reel.  The key will be to find a punch rod that balances well with the reel you want to use. 

I always heard magnesium had a little flex to it.  I think the tatula 70 and alphas wouldn't have this problem being aluminum with aluminum side plate.  

[WRB]

1 hour ago, PhishLI said:

Shimano SV? 

Op doesn’t like Daiwa-Tatula, aluminum frame SV’s.

Tom

[JustJames]

How about Zillion SV TW G (USDM)? A little bit bigger than Alphas SV TW but smaller than Tatula. I think I prefer the zillion compare to alphas when Frogging. 

[PhishLI]

 Zillion G left. Tat TW80/SV70/Alphas right

Either is small and size difference is negligible.

 

 

[Bandersnatch]

2 hours ago, PhishLI said:

 Zillion G left. Tat TW80/SV70/Alphas right

Either is small and size difference is negligible.

 

 

I have the new alphas which I’m pretty sure the new tatula sv 70 is the same frame and reel which just a single bearing supported pinion. I’m not a fan of the boost spool in the zillion for things like pitching as I prefer the sv control. Do you think the new tatula 70 and alpahas 70 has enough power/durability to handle something like punching ? 

[PhishLI]

5 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

Do you think the new tatula 70 and alpahas 70 has enough power/durability to handle something like punching ? 

It cranks more smoothly than any Tatula I've used. Perhaps it uses the new gear profile? Besides that I don't see it as a power fishing reel myself. That said I know people who use an Alde 50 for heavier duty work than one might expect, so nothing's out of the question

9 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

I’m not a fan of the boost spool in the zillion for things like pitching as I prefer the sv control.

Have you cranked the brake up higher for skipping than you're used to with previous SV reels? I was dock skipping IKAs at a very odd angle with a Tat SV and G side by side, and higher settings on the G equaled things out somewhat. Just a bit more thumb with the Zillion is all it took.

[JustJames]

As a lot of ppl from TT mentioned, zillion and alphas using the same gear (or same cut teeth). I don’t really see why alphas cannot handle any heavy duty task. One way to find out try it ???.

 

[QED]

14 hours ago, Tatulatard said:

I always heard magnesium had a little flex to it.  I think the tatula 70 and alphas wouldn't have this problem being aluminum with aluminum side plate.  

 

Taking hearsay and then treating it as fact is not helpful advice.  Magnesium is much lighter and if properly designed and reinforced as necessary, it needn't have any notable flex in this application while still being lighter.  The downside to magnesium is expense.

[WRB]

2 down sides to magnesium alloy reel frames; corrosion and vibration feedback vs aluminum alloys. Fresh water only use eliminates the corrosion issue. The deadened vibration isn’t a major issue and help reducing gear noise.

Strength Aluminum alloys vs Magnesium alloys is marginal within 10% with the exception of fatigue strength, aluminum is superior.

The original Daiwa TD Fuegal reel was Magnesium and very solid reel that can easily handle the subject applications.

Tom

[newapti5]

4 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

Do you think the new tatula 70 and alpahas 70 has enough power/durability to handle something like punching ? 

 

Don't know about the new Tatula 70, but the Alphas SV you have uses brass main gear and aluminum pinion gear.  So, I wouldn't suggest it for long term heavy duty stuff. 

[Tatulatard]

7 hours ago, QED said:

 

Taking hearsay and then treating it as fact is not helpful advice.  Magnesium is much lighter and if properly designed and reinforced as necessary, it needn't have any notable flex in this application while still being lighter.  The downside to magnesium is expense.

Magnesium as a material has some flex as does aluminum.  I've never felt it on my magnesium reels but I've heard of it and am not going to redily discount the reports of it from someone like FishTank when they mention experiencing it when using a magnesium reel in the very application the op is specifying.  Not going to perpetuate the sentiment that magnesium reels flex too much for high drag pressure applications since I haven't experienced it but I'm not going to dismiss it as hearsay.  

7 hours ago, newapti5 said:

 

Don't know about the new Tatula 70, but the Alphas SV you have uses brass main gear and aluminum pinion gear.  So, I wouldn't suggest it for long term heavy duty stuff. 

Does that apply to the usdm zillion too?  I don't remember if that one has an aluminum pinion or not.  I know the main gear is brass.  

[QED]

1 hour ago, Tatulatard said:

[stuff deleted] Not going to perpetuate the sentiment that magnesium reels flex too much for high drag pressure applications since I haven't experienced it but I'm not going to dismiss it as hearsay. [stuff deleted]

 

I think you need to look up the definition hearsay.

[PhishLI]

One day I'll learn to keep my nose out of these hair splitting threads. Meanwhile in the rest of the world people buy whatever they can and use it however they like and everything is usually fine. All without ever entertaining the idea of scheduled maintenance. Meanwhile my Tat SV has been abused in heavy slop, stupid thick milfoil, and dense pad fields for 5 years, and it's still ticking, just not as smooth as new. What a surprise. It's a machine with gears and plastic side plates, and machines age with use. I seriously doubt any much higher build tolerance free floating spool Daiwa platform with metal side and set plates would do any worse, regardless of frame or gear material. Not enough to fantasize about, that's for sure.

[QED]

No need to fantasize.  I don't recommend stuff I don't use.

[PhishLI]

2 hours ago, Tatulatard said:

Magnesium as a material has some flex as does aluminum.  I've never felt it on my magnesium reels but I've heard of it and am not going to readily discount the reports of it

So a person punches a mat with a 1 1/2oz weight and, during the excitement and fury of yanking a 5 lb fish through the junk, notices and isolates frame flex on a metal framed reel? I'm calling absolute BS to the10th power on that one, regardless of who said it. Just to be nice about it, let's say their power of perception is super human, and it's true to some small degree. So what? The stuff that bleeds out from NeuroticTour is baffling sometimes.

[Bandersnatch]

3 hours ago, QED said:

No need to fantasize.  I don't recommend stuff I don't use.

These are the absolute best. I have 3 previous version CT’s, two with the 90mm steez a paddle handle and one with a 100mm paddle handle. 

[Fastbee]

5 hours ago, PhishLI said:

So a person punches a mat with a 1 1/2oz weight and, during the excitement and fury of yanking a 5 lb fish through the junk, notices and isolates frame flex on a metal framed reel? I'm calling absolute BS to the10th power on that one, regardless of who said it. Just to be nice about it, let's say their power of perception is super human, and it's true to some small degree. So what? The stuff that bleeds out from NeuroticTour is baffling sometimes.

Haha...my man!  Some of the stuff on here really is funny!  I agree 100%, folks WAY over think things and should probably just fish more. My old OG Tatula rods (no idea how much they weigh or what they are rated for) paired up with my Tatula SV TW103 reels (again, no idea about what they are "supposed" to used for) catch fish however I need them to. Is the old 7' MH R action specifically for squarebills and shallow cranks?  I doubt it, but it does great. Is the 7'6 H the ideal jig rod?  Probably not, but it has caught 1000s of fish from dragging football heads in 20 FOW to skipping 1/4 swim jigs under docks, makes a good frog rod too. The reels have been beat to death flipping, punching, frogging and anything else I've asked them to do.  I'd encourage guys to worry less about having something perfect and enjoy the time on the water. 

2 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

These are the absolute best. I have 3 previous version CT’s, two with the 90mm steez a paddle handle and one with a 100mm paddle handle. 

Then why not use them or get another one?  

[iabass8]

8 hours ago, Tatulatard said:

Magnesium as a material has some flex as does aluminum.  I've never felt it on my magnesium reels but I've heard of it and am not going to redily discount the reports of it from someone like FishTank when they mention experiencing it when using a magnesium reel in the very application the op is specifying.  Not going to perpetuate the sentiment that magnesium reels flex too much for high drag pressure applications since I haven't experienced it but I'm not going to dismiss it as hearsay.  

Does that apply to the usdm zillion too?  I don't remember if that one has an aluminum pinion or not.  I know the main gear is brass.  

The USDM zillion G has brass main and duralumin pinion. 

[Tatulatard]

7 hours ago, QED said:

 

I think you need to look up the definition hearsay.

Reminder that we are on a fishing forum and much of what is discussed falls under the scope of "hearsay".  When I hear someone that has established themselves as knowing what they are talking about when it comes to fishing reels mentioning that they have experienced frame flex in high drag pressure applications with a particular magnesium frame reel then I am inclined to belive it. 

 

Also there is nothing wrong with a smidge of frame flex from a magnesium alloy reel.  Maybe don't use them in those locked down drag applications if it is a concern.  I don't because by daiwa's own admission their zaion "rivals the strength and flex of magnesium"  " shows minimal flexing under load like magnesium".  Now I have both zaion and magnesium reels and zaion does flex more under load than magnesium because I have experienced it with my one zaion reel but have not with any of my magnesium reels.  At the same time I absolutely belive that magnesium can flex more than aluminum under high loads and will not readily discount any reports I hear from anglers that claim to experience it.