Final spincast question

[PressuredFishing]

Okay thankyou all who have been commenting on me and providing vast wealth of information. I have decided to purchase a zebco 33 micro gold and got a rod to go with it, my question is...

 

In a perfect world, If your favorite reel manufacturer made a high speed smooth 5-6 gear ratio spincast reel that had a super smooth  drag, even line lay, crisp feeling and at the same price as a spinning reel, would you make the switch?

[MN Fisher]

1 minute ago, PressuredFishing said:

In a perfect world, If your favorite reel manufacturer made a high speed smooth 5-6 gear ratio spincast reel that had a super smooth  drag, even line lay, crisp feeling and at the same price as a spinning reel, would you make the switch?

Nope - I upgraded from spincast to spinning back in 1967...never going back.

[PressuredFishing]

Just now, MN Fisher said:

Nope - I upgraded from spincast to spinning back in 1967...never going back

Thankyou for your reply, anything you that makes you prefer about the spinning reel over the spincast? Backreel mechanism or ergonomics? Thanks again for the input

[MN Fisher]

1 minute ago, PressuredFishing said:

Backreel mechanism or ergonomics?

Back-reel not so much...I like trusting the drag to handle my fish.

 

Ergonomics isn't it either - you basically handle it similar to how you handle a baitcaster

 

My problem with spincasters is operative. I've seen even decent spincasts 'lock up' - the pickup rotor not returning back to the retrieve position. Then you gotta take it apart to fix it while your line/lure is out.

[garroyo130]

I also would not. Question ... what's your objection to baitcasting? 

[PressuredFishing]

12 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

Back-reel not so much...I like trusting the drag to handle my fish.

 

Ergonomics isn't it either - you basically handle it similar to how you handle 

 

My problem with spincasters is operative. I've seen even decent spincasts 'lock up' - the pickup rotor not returning back to the retrieve position. Then you gotta take it apart to fix it while your line/lure is out.

Ah I see, understandable.

5 minutes ago, garroyo130 said:

I also would not. Question ... what's your objection to baitcasting? 

I use baitcasting for heavier lures and think spincast falls into the finesse category, It's more of a "spinning" vs "spincast" . I don't have any objections to spinning reels and own tons of them, I just think that spincast reels may be practical and not just a beginners reel

[J Francho]

Spincast have a much lower IPT than many spinning reels. 

[PressuredFishing]

1 minute ago, J Francho said:

Spincast have a much lower IPT than many spinning reels. 

True, if that where to be theoretically improved to be on par with a spinning reel, would you switch?

[J Francho]

I already own a few spincast reels. They're mostly for guests. 

[bulldog1935]

It would never be a switch, fun supplement, great kidfish, grandkidfish tool. 

I bought mine before kids just for the fun of using it for UL rigs off docks.  My younger daughter took it over. 

As soon as she could fish the Penn 4200SS, the UL-1 was retired. 

 

My buddy Lou doesn't go inshore without his Zebco Bullet. 

Shimano Ultegra on the other rod. 

[Bankc]

It's my experience that spincast reels aren't made as tough as spinning reels and the drag isn't as smooth.  Plus, they don't seem to cast as far and the line gets tangled up more easily.  Also, they don't seem to like braided fishing line, which is what I primarily use.  Though, I do cast more accurately with them than with spinning reels.  

 

But if that's what you prefer, then go for it!  They've been around a very long time, and if they didn't work, no one would make them.  

[Mobasser]

I like my open face spinning reels too much to switch. I might like to try a good underspin reel at some point.

[Eric 26]

Although I don’t use a spin cast reel currently your posts have me feeling nostalgic. For more years than I can remember my only reel for our annual fishing trip to Minnesota was a zebco 33 spin cast, plastic housing and all, caught perch to pike on that reel. I still have 2, with one being semi functional Daiwa silvercast reels from my dad. I wish I had the 5’? orange Daiwa rod it originally came with. I actually had my kids use them when they were younger. May have to find a cheap pistol grip rod and go bluegill fishing with it soon. Thanks for the memories ?

[J Francho]

23 minutes ago, Bankc said:

It's my experience that spincast reels aren't made as tough as spinning reels and the drag isn't as smooth.

Maybe for some cheapo plastic Snoopy reels.  The Daiwa GC20 I have works and feels like hi quality machine.  I have a Zebco 33 Classic that is well past 30 years old and works perfectly.  Neither display any of the issues bought up here about spincast.

[Mobasser]

Stanley Mithcell won the Bass Master Classic his rookie year with a Zebco 404. Woo Davies also has used one. If they work well for folks, I would say go for it. Some of the better Zebcos and Diawas are well made.

[PressuredFishing]

1 hour ago, Bankc said:

But if that's what you prefer, then go for it!

I agree with everything you said, I was looking at the zebco bullets and omega, and their drags and gear ratios are supposedly much better but 100-130 is alot of money in comparison to a 50 dollar spinning reel with equal value. I wish there was a really really solid spincast that was in the 60 dollar range comparable to the specs and quality of a president or Sahara or legalis/regal/revros. 

36 minutes ago, Mobasser said:

Stanley Mithcell won the Bass Master Classic his rookie year with a Zebco 404.

I saw that and got me thinking too, I ordered a 33 up, am excited to try it.

55 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Maybe for some cheapo plastic Snoopy reels.  The Daiwa GC20 I have works and feels like hi quality machine.  I

I still got the snoopy bobber from my toddler rod my dad got me

[Captain Phil]

2 hours ago, Bankc said:

It's my experience that spincast reels aren't made as tough as spinning reels and the drag isn't as smooth.  Plus, they don't seem to cast as far and the line gets tangled up more easily. 

 

This pretty much sums it up.  Spin casting reels are made cheap because the people who buy them don't generally care about quality.  What they want is to launch a bait with as little cost and effort as possible.  The friction of the line hitting the inside of the cover limits casting distance and accuracy.  Most spin casting reels have lousy drags.  Under rod spinning reels are more accurate because you can use your index finger to feather the line on the cast.  You can't do that with a button.  Spin casting reels are supposed to eliminate line tangles.  That is a myth.  A deep line tangle in a spin casting reel is nearly impossible to dig out. Spin casting is fine for little kids and novice fishermen.  If you must, buy the cheapest one you can find for yourself because you will be giving it to your grand kids.  Sorry if I offended anyone with my comments. I keep thinking about all those people who showed up at my boat with a Zebco 202.   ?

[WRB]

2 hours ago, Mobasser said:

Stanley Mithcell won the Bass Master Classic his rookie year with a Zebco 404. Woo Davies also has used one. If they work well for folks, I would say go for it. Some of the better Zebcos and Diawas are well made.

Woo Davies used a Zebco 808 occasionally as I recall.

Tom

[J Francho]

7 minutes ago, WRB said:

Woo Davies used a Zebco 808 occasionally as I recall.

Tom

That's my recollection as well.  I'll smoke any challengers with this reel:

[Captain Phil]

58 minutes ago, J Francho said:

That's my recollection as well.  I'll smoke any challengers with this reel:

 

What's the challenge?  ?

[J Francho]

Just now, Captain Phil said:

 

What's the challenge?  

There really isn't any.  I'm just teasing that I can catch as many as anyone with a spincaster.

[Captain Phil]

Just now, J Francho said:

There really isn't any.  I'm just teasing that I can catch as many as anyone with a spincaster.

 

Got it.  You don't need a rod or a reel to catch bass.  I've caught them with a hand line.  I have even had bass jump in my boat.  ?

[J Francho]

Fish whisperer 

[PressuredFishing]

7 hours ago, bulldog1935 said:

My buddy Lou doesn't go inshore without his Zebco Bullet. 

How does he like it? have you played around with it? is it comparable to the smooth drags of a shimano sahara or diawa regalis/regal /legal?

[bulldog1935]

@PressuredFishing

I personally don't like it, the 14 oz is the worst part. 

To me, it's not worth the trouble because my baitcasters are so much better in every way. 

What we were talking about UL, though, is fun just because it's UL. 

The UL-1 cast really well matched with the Eagle Claw UL glass casting rod.