Fluorocarbon with good stretch

[A-Jay]

I am So Triggered Right Now !

A-Jay

[WRB]

Fins braid charts it’s unknotted and knitted strength and you are spot on. I never tested braid or had it break at the knot, even when catching big game tuna and marlin. The reason maybe the fact we used 100 yard top shot of mono.

65 hasn’t Fins tied direct knot failed used for frogs in mats at the Delta or Clear lake, the places I used it in fresh water. My rods would break 1st at 30 lbs of pulling force!

As said earlier never test braid, had I this fact would have shown up!

Good point.

Tom

[MickD]

Everyone has an opinion, few have data.  

[newapti5]

8 hours ago, padon said:

so let me ask this. if flouro stretches which we know it does, how does that affect the supposed sensitivity? i was under the impression that the lower stretch was what was supposed to make it more sensitive. maybe i misunderstood?

 

Actually I believe there was a nice discussion about fishing line sensitivity causes several years back, maybe it's a different forum? Anyway, the reasons for fluoro's better sensitivity compared to mono, high density is one of them, and the other reason is what @WRB talked about earlier - the difference between elastic yield and plastic yield. 

 

Again, all yields include elastic yield and plastic yield. When the stretch force is low, the yield mostly consists of elastic yield, which follows simple Hooke's law; when the stretch force reaches a certain level, plastic yield begins to take control and become the majority of yield. Plastic yield and stretch force follow a more complex non-linear equation, which also includes time "t" as a variable.

 

This certain "threshold" of force that causes plastic yield will depend on material composition, and usually the force level of mono is higher than that of fluoro, which means fluoro tends to start generating major plastic yield even under a relatively low stretch force. 

 

Back to sensitivity. Better sensitivity means better transmission of vibration energy through the line.  Plastic yield won't contribute to sensitivity much, as most of the energy has been absorbed by the line for permanent plastic yield and shape changing. Elastic yield is mostly responsible for sensitivity, as the elastic yield will return to original shape, and transmit the energy down the line without much waste. Also, the less elastic yield under the same force (which means the constant k in Hooke's law equation is bigger), the better sensitivity the line will be. 

 

Fluoro tends to have a larger constant k than mono, though its "threshold" force of plastic yield is usually lower. Combined together, that means fluoro stretches less than mono UNDER elastic yield, but when you pull the line hard enough, fluoro will develop plastic yield quickly, and become just as stretchy as mono in total. When we try to detect a bite, the "bite" force put on line is definitely still under that "threshold" force of plastic yield, thus only elastic yield. Since fluoro has a larger constant k in elastic yield, thus it is more sensitive than mono, even though its total stretch during hard hookset is on the same level with mono. 

 

Hope I explain myself clearly on this.  It shouldn't be hard to understand for guys in engineering industry. 

[RDB]

[WRB]

What’s missing is water, water dampens vibration because of it’s density. Sine wave forms can’t be transmitted effectively up the line through water. What we feel is axial line movements, increased or decreased line tension.

What is felt as stretch on line line drag going through water at low forces.

FC has lower coefficient of drag going through water the mono.

Tom

[newapti5]

23 minutes ago, WRB said:

What we feel is axial line movements, increased or decreased line tension.

 

Yes, this too. I forgot to mention that, sort of like sound waves travel in longitudinal direction.

But what does drag coefficient have to do with sensitivity? 

[WRB]

45 minutes ago, newapti5 said:

 

Yes, this too. I forgot to mention that, sort of like sound waves travel in longitudinal direction.

But what does drag coefficient have to do with sensitivity? 

It reduces the bow in the line underwater. Line isn’t is a straight path from the lure to the rod tip. The bow in the line is created by buoyancy (density compared to water) and force it takes to pull the line tight (coefficient of drag). 

The easiest way to understand water creating drag is run 50 yards if the line defined a boat at 3 mph (walking speed) and make a slow turn. Mono line will follow the boat wake creating a bow in the line. FC will cut through the water going in more of a straight line, less bow in the line.

This is very obvious when fighting very fast swimming fish like Marlin or Wahoo. Your rod is fully bent from line drag in the water to the point the reel drag is slipping from the force.

You think the fish is pulling off line in a straight direction when the fish has turned 90 degrees going a different direction creating a big bow in the line.

Bass fishing this bow is only a few feet and it feels like libe stretch but it isn’t it’s line drag.

Tom

[newapti5]

2 minutes ago, WRB said:

It reduces the bow in the line underwater. Line isn’t is a straight path from the lure to the rod tip. The bow in the line is created by buoyancy (density compared to water) and force it takes to pull the line tight (coefficient of drag). 

The easiest way to understand water creating drag is run 50 yards if the line defined a boat at 3 mph (walking speed) and make a slow turn. Mono line will follow the boat wake creating a bow in the line. FC will cut through the water going in more of a straight line, less bow in the line.

This is very obvious when fighting very fast swimming fish like Marlin or Wahoo. Your rod is fully bent from line drag in the water to the point the reel drag is slipping from the force.

You think the fish is pulling off line in a straight direction when the fish has turned 90 degrees going a different direction creating a big bow in the line.

Bass fishing this bow is only a few feet and it feels like libe stretch but it isn’t it’s line drag.

Tom

 

Ah, I got your point. Thanks!

[Skunkmaster-k]

You’re smart 

You know big words 

[ChrisD46]

On 4/6/2022 at 5:39 PM, Fishingmickey said:

Instead of going with fluorocarbon. If your wanting stretch/give and willing to switch, go to monofilament.  In my opinion nylon monofilament has much better stretch properties then fluoro.  If it is toothy protection then I agree with the others, stay with the Invizx/Abrazx.

FM

What about a FC coated line like Yozuri Hybrid or Berkley Fluoroshield ? Enough transparency with added stretch for sure .

[Catt]

This thread is why I stay with Big Game!

 

[T-Billy]

31 minutes ago, Catt said:

This thread is why I stay with Big Game!

 

Cheap and tougher than the best flouro made. I will also add, if you're not feeling bites on braid and mono, you need to do a better job of controlling your slack. 

 That's right. I said it. Let me have it with both barrels. I can take it. ??

[MickD]

2 hours ago, ChrisD46 said:

What about a FC coated line like Yozuri Hybrid or Berkley Fluoroshield

For the life of me I cannot see how coating something that is not transparent with something that is transparent makes the whole thing transparent.  I think FC coated lines are a worthless gimmick.  Sort of like calling a raincoat "titanium."  I'm confident I'll get corrected quickly. 

[roadwarrior]

Yo-Zuri Hybrid is not coated, it is a blend.

Yo-Zuri Hybrid is the first and only fishing line that molecularly bonds nylon and fluorocarbon during extrusion. The result is a strong, dense new material that takes advantage of the awesome abrasion-resistance and sensitivity of fluorocarbon, while utilizing the flexibility and stretch of nylon.

[Catt]

11 hours ago, T-Billy said:

That's right. I said it. Let me have it with both barrels. I can take it. ??

 

If I have to read all this testing, research, & carry a bottle of juice to justify Fluorocarbon...it's the wrong line for me.