Double uni knot v. FG knot

[optimator]

  On 3/31/2022 at 6:41 PM, BrianMDTX said:

As do I. Simple to tie, hasn’t let me down yet and passes through my guides without an issue. 

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IIRC, you’re the one that posted the video that I learned it from. Thanks man.

[BrianMDTX]

  On 3/31/2022 at 7:53 PM, optimator said:

IIRC, you’re the one that posted the video that I learned it from. Thanks man.

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May be. I’ve posted it frequently lol. Glad iit works for you!

[EWREX]

the alberto knot has served me well.

 

[FryDog62]

3 reasons I switched from the FG back to the Alberto:

• Quicker to tie
• Fluorocarbon breaks down going through the guides over time - but with the Alberto, the braid wraps around the fluorocarbon thus giving it a little more protection. 
• FG is touted as thinner, but when you tie off hitch knots at the end, that part of the knot a lot of times is just as thick or thicker than an Alberto. 

I am a proponent of putting the tag end through the loop on the Alberto TWICE at the very end. Gives you extra security in the event you didn't go back through the loop in the right direction (it happens).  Fool proof, quick, thin, guide protected, strong knot. 

[Sphynx]

  On 3/31/2022 at 6:01 PM, Clumsy fisherman said:

I bet I am worse than you. I can get a backlash trying to spool line.

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That is pretty impressive, I will have to dedicate a few more hours to reaching your level of skill!

[MickD]

  On 3/31/2022 at 7:21 PM, TnRiver46 said:

so I use Albright

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The Alberto is really just an Albright that wraps down, then wraps up, before sticking the tag through the loop. So it gains from the wrap up, but still is vulnerable, which is why I improved it.

[river-rat]

 

I started using the Red Philips knot last year and have had no problems. It's very easy to tie and takes almost no time. Haven't had a failure yet.

 

Do a Google search and you can find several videos. One of them has Gerald Swindle showing how to tie it.

[Skunkmaster-k]

Aaron Martens is why I use the double uni. He did a video ( I think it’s on Bass Resource) where he said tying 8# fluorocarbon to 10# braid he wrapped the braid 14 times and the fluorocarbon half that many times. I bet you can find that video with a little searching. 

[cyclops2]

Lots of wraps are needed on Braided. I also add a 1/2 hitch on the tag ends and slide them into the knot.  The 1/2 hitch JAMS all of the line tighter.    Never has slipped wet or dry.

[Dash Riprock]

  On 3/31/2022 at 6:41 PM, BrianMDTX said:

As do I. Simple to tie, hasn’t let me down yet and passes through my guides without an issue. 

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  On 3/31/2022 at 7:53 PM, optimator said:

IIRC, you’re the one that posted the video that I learned it from. Thanks man.

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Yep, same here. It's become my go-to ever since I saw that video.

 

I can do an Alberto/Albright if I have to (also that Shin's knot which is similar) but I have a hard time holding the wraps in place for some reason, and more than occasionally I do something wrong and it doesn't hold when I tighten it.

 

The Lefty Kreh is simple, intuitive, and pretty much idiot proof. I haven't messed one up yet. 

 

 

[T-Billy]

Another Alberto fan here. I also make an extra pass through the loop as @FryDog62 mentioned. Haven't had one fail me yet, and I find it pretty easy to tie.

[MeatHead1313]

I used to use the double uni due to it being so easy to tie, but after getting some rods with micro guides I hated how much the knot banged when casting. A buddy in the local kayak fishing club I'm in showed me the "Shin Fukae" knot and that's all I've used since. Much thinner than the double uni, easy to tie and have had no break offs. 

[MickD]

  On 3/31/2022 at 11:53 PM, MeatHead1313 said:

I used to use the double uni due to it being so easy to tie, but after getting some rods with micro guides I hated how much the knot banged when casting. A buddy in the local kayak fishing club I'm in showed me the "Shin Fukae" knot and that's all I've used since. Much thinner than the double uni, easy to tie and have had no break offs. 

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How about a good link to how to tie the Shin Fukae?  I've searched and come up empty. thanks,

[MN Fisher]

  On 4/1/2022 at 12:13 AM, MickD said:

How about a good link to how to tie the Shin Fukae?  I've searched and come up empty. thanks,

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Here's Shin himself showing you how to tie it.

 

[MickD]

  On 4/1/2022 at 12:25 AM, MN Fisher said:

Here's Shin himself showing you how to tie it.

 

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Looks like a good knot, only two thicknesses of leader, so should be small enough for almost any guide setup with the typical leader pound tests that we use.  Will give it a try.

[OkobojiEagle]

  On 3/31/2022 at 9:29 PM, MickD said:

The Alberto is really just an Albright that wraps down, then wraps up, before sticking the tag through the loop. So it gains from the wrap up, but still is vulnerable, which is why I improved it.

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When the Albright is tied correctly, tightly and keeps a PE tag end of 1/2" or more, I don't think there is any "gain" to the Alberto knot...

 

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[MickD]

  On 4/1/2022 at 11:41 AM, OkobojiEagle said:

PE tag end of 1/2" or more

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Please clarify.  PE?  I'm a little dense this AM , I guess.

[J Francho]

  On 4/1/2022 at 11:55 AM, MickD said:

PE

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That is fancy for braided line.

[snake95]

Alberto here - tie it in under 60 seconds. 

 

I will occasionally use double uni for joining dissimilar diameter lines on a reel.

 

I have tried the FG and believe it to be a good knot.  However, I haven't found it to be stronger than an Alberto and certainly not easier to tie.

[BrianMDTX]

  On 4/1/2022 at 12:07 PM, snake95 said:

Alberto here - tie it in under 60 seconds. 

 

I will occasionally use double uni for joining dissimilar diameter lines on a reel.

 

I have tried the FG and believe it to be a good knot.  However, I haven't found it to be stronger than an Alberto and certainly not easier to tie.

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I use the double uni all the time for braid to backing line on the reel. Simple to tie and effective for that application. 

[MickD]

  On 4/1/2022 at 10:58 AM, MickD said:

Looks like a good knot, only two thicknesses of leader, so should be small enough for almost any guide setup with the typical leader pound tests that we use.  Will give it a try.

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I gave it a try, have not yet figured it out.  While it looks good, the improved Alberto is a piece of cake, doesn't require loose line loops to get caught in the wind, and since it works just fine, I'll stick with it.  Thanks for the video.

[Dash Riprock]

  On 4/1/2022 at 1:45 PM, MickD said:

I gave it a try, have not yet figured it out.  While it looks good, the improved Alberto is a piece of cake, doesn't require loose line loops to get caught in the wind, and since it works just fine, I'll stick with it.  Thanks for the video.

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As best as I can tell, the Shin knot and the Albright are nearly identical. The only difference that I've been able to see is that he holds the main braid line away from the flouro while he wraps, which means the wraps are only around the flouro, not over the braid itself. Makes it a little thinner, which is good. Don't know if it's stronger, but I'm sure it's strong enough.

 

Having said that, once I did the Lefty Kreh I never looked back, at least not for leaders. It's just too easy. 

[BrianMDTX]

  On 4/1/2022 at 3:37 PM, Dash Riprock said:

Having said that, once I did the Lefty Kreh I never looked back, at least not for leaders. It's just too easy. 

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It’s so easy, Captain Hook can tie it. 

[RDB]

  On 3/31/2022 at 5:29 PM, Clumsy fisherman said:

Which is better for joining fluorocarbon to braid? I use the double uni, the FG looks very complicated.

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They both work fine, as do the knots that others have suggested.  Personally, I use the FG but it can be confusing initially.  For me, the most difficult thing was figuring out what to do with my hands and how to manage the lines going 4 different directions.  Once that part clicked, it was super easy.  IMO, the absolute best knot is the one you can consistently tie correctly.

[OkobojiEagle]

  On 4/1/2022 at 11:55 AM, MickD said:

Please clarify.  PE? 

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As John said... short hand for polyethylene.  Dyneema & Spectra are ultra-high molecular weight polyethylene braided lines as opposed to a braided dacron line.  

 

Mono (mono-filament) lines should be referred to as nylon or fluorocarbon.

 

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