Double uni knot v. FG knot

[MickD]

I was fooling around with the Albright today, and with the 15 pound Tuff Line braid and 20 pound test FC a 10 wrap Albright slipped.  It took 15 wraps to prevent slipping.  I just don't trust that knot, and I've had too many "mystery" failures of the FG to trust it, too.

 

I have not had a single unravelling or slip or any other failure with the "improved Alberto."  I wrap 7 up and 7 down, then pull tightly, then two overhand knots with the braid tag.  Seems to be bullet proof and is as small as anything except the FG.  

 

There are so many subtleties with the knot tying processes that we all seem to do something a little different without even knowing it.  So the comment about using whatever works for you, whatever you can confidently tie right, is right on target.  

[Reshi]

7 hours ago, BrianMDTX said:

It’s so easy, Captain Hook can tie it. 

Link to the video?

[BrianMDTX]

59 minutes ago, Reshi said:

Link to the video?

Sure. Here you go!

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GDxGy3Nld2g

[Maggiesmaster]

For me, the Shin knot is easier to tie and thinner than the Alberto knot. I tie 30# braid to 12# flouro and haven’t had any failures yet.

[Bdnoble84]

I really like the fg knot. I suck at the alberto. Especially with heavier lines. And on rods with small guides.
 

One of the biggest thing for me was to slow down and focus on getting each wrap correct on the first few wraps. Then you can spped up. I have a system for how i finish the knot that is similar to seth fider’s video. I do two half hitches with fluero to loch it. Then roughly five half hitches with the braid over the braid main and mono tag end.snip the mono tag. Do 3 more half hitches braid over braid. Snip braid tag really close. Take lighter and melt down tags. When ive done this I've never had one unravel. Takes less than 5 min and i ussually retie leaders before i go out. But even out on the water i can.

 

one thing hands need to be clean and dry otherwise you will have a hell of a time wrapping the fluoro. So hot and sweaty is not a good mix. 

[Darth-Baiter]

I took the FG knot as a rite of passage. Haha. I got it down hard.  Just tied one today while I was in a webex meeting.  Haha.  I bolster the knot security with some fly-fishing knot glue.  They are not going anywhere. 
 

having said that, the Alberto is a solid knot.  Fatter, but more compact. It’s the knot I use when I bobbing around on a kayak.  It’s faster. 

[LrgmouthShad]

I have a lot of practice with the FG knot and tie it within 30 seconds in my room. I can do it within about a minute sitting in the kayak. It is not a demanding knot, in my opinion. Thing is strong as heck and very small. That being said, someone recently shared the GT knot and that looks real good too. 

[er34323]

Alberto knot for me. FG not kept giving me issues. 

[Bdnoble84]

2 hours ago, LrgmouthShad said:

I have a lot of practice with the FG knot and tie it within 30 seconds in my room. I can do it within about a minute sitting in the kayak. It is not a demanding knot, in my opinion. Thing is strong as heck and very small. That being said, someone recently shared the GT knot and that looks real good too. 

For some reason i struggle with the alberto. I never get it sinched down correctly. I think its because i never tie so i always forget how to do it then it fails and i end up tying an fg. I do need to work on it though. I really think any knot requires practice to get good at. I really struggled with the fg at first because i wasnt making sure the wrapps were seated on the backside of the knot and didnt have good tension. So i would end up with a big ball at the front of the knot that defeats the effectiveness of the knot because it isnt slim. But its the only knot i could use on my jig pole with microguides so i kept doing it and now its easy.

[ATA]

Honestly if you do FG enough, You'll be good at it and you'll always do it. I really was afraid before but I stat to do it over and over and get good at it and after a year I learn about rizzuto finish, and improved my FG knot even more and now I am really good at it. Most of the time I am doing it in home the day before fishing so I dont need to do it in wind or on boat.

It is really strongest and smallest diameter knot for braid to leader.

[Revival]

Used to tie Alberto’s but now I do the FG with Rizzuto finish. 

2 things that make tying FG easier

- keep constant tension

- hold the knot the entire time while going over/under.

[IneedAnewScreenName-98161861]

I've been using the FG for two seasons now. It's proven itself to be strong enough for any fishing I do and I've also proven to myself if you don't take the time to learn it properly and tie it properly everytime and not just "good enough" it can come undone/slip. 

 

That being said I seem to always always have not a super clean finish to it. I usually tie 1 regular overhand knot to secure the FG then I tie two or three more to really lock it down but then I usually end up with a not so streamlined FG in the end that has a small tag end sticking out that it so gosh darn sharp!

 

Once you've done your wraps and your ready to finish the knot how do y'all do that?

[LrgmouthShad]

31 minutes ago, IneedAnewScreenName-98161861 said:

I've been using the FG for two seasons now. It's proven itself to be strong enough for any fishing I do and I've also proven to myself if you don't take the time to learn it properly and tie it properly everytime and not just "good enough" it can come undone/slip. 

 

That being said I seem to always always have not a super clean finish to it. I usually tie 1 regular overhand knot to secure the FG then I tie two or three more to really lock it down but then I usually end up with a not so streamlined FG in the end that has a small tag end sticking out that it so gosh darn sharp!

 

Once you've done your wraps and your ready to finish the knot how do y'all do that?

1 half hitch on each side to secure the 20 wraps. The wraps should be secured tightly before putting in the half hitches. I watch salt strong’s video on how to tie the FG knot and that is all I had to do. They explain it very well

[king fisher]

     I can't believe people are using the FG for bass fishing.  I have been using it with larger line for saltwater fishing for years.  I can tie it quickly a half dozen different ways, in heavy seas, and have taught many deckhands how to tie it correctly.  For bass fishing I never had a problem using a double Uni for the many years I tied it.  I did use the Albright at times, but tied my last Albright when I saw my first Alberto.  I only use the Alberto now, but be warned it will come untied if you do not tie it correctly.  I would not feel handicapped if I had to go back to the Uni to Uni, I simply prefer the slimness, strength and quickness of the Alberto.  FG know is a great knot, but I don't see any advantage using it with the lighter lines used for bass fishing.

[Bakablo1]

On 3/31/2022 at 3:22 PM, Bankc said:

FG in the living room.  Double Uni on the water.  

 

This!

[Team9nine]

3 hours ago, IneedAnewScreenName-98161861 said:

 

Once you've done your wraps and your ready to finish the knot how do y'all do that?

Do your initial wraps, however many you choose, then two alternating half hitches. Pull and lock the knot in tight, cut the mono/fluoro tag off, then two more alternating half hitches. Finally, Rizzuto finish. Done ?

[roadwarrior]

I don't get it. If I were fishing for yellowfin tuna, maybe. The Alberto is easy, dependable and

 meets all my needs in freshwater.

[NHBull]

10 minutes ago, roadwarrior said:

I don't get it. If I were fishing for yellowfin tuna, maybe. The Alberto is easy, dependable and

 meets all my needs in freshwater.

That is the one knot I can't tie.  I feel like a 4 year old wearing mittens. : )

[Darth-Baiter]

4 hours ago, IneedAnewScreenName-98161861 said:

 

 

That being said I seem to always always have not a super clean finish to it. I usually tie 1 regular overhand knot to secure the FG then I tie two or three more to really lock it down but then I usually end up with a not so streamlined FG in the end that has a small tag end sticking out that it so gosh darn sharp!

 

Once you've done your wraps and your ready to finish the knot how do y'all do that?

Mine are not that great looking either.  But I clip the tag ends tight. I actually took a pic for my brother.  (Getting ready for Texoma Striper trip!).  20lb braid to 12lb flouro, so the resulting knot is a schooch larger - but not by much. 
 

 

[Boomstick]

I learned the double uni and never have any issues, so I stick with it. The majority of my leaders are no more than 8# fluorocarbon on 15# braid, so I don't have issues with the knot not passing through my guides.

[Happybeerbuzz]

8 hours ago, Revival said:

2 things that make tying FG easier

- keep constant tension

- hold the knot the entire time while going over/under.

^^^This. 

 

I will add "keeping constant tension" should not be confused with needing a lot of tension.  Braid has no stretch so wraps are either tight or they are not.  When I was learning, I found that I was using too much tension while wrapping which led to fumbling with the leader line which in turn made it harder to make the wraps uniform.  

 

Also, the Rizzuto finish is cosmetic for over achievers. Don't get frustrated if it is too much of a pain.  Just throw a couple more half hitches on and get on the water. 

[Bdnoble84]

On 4/6/2022 at 10:29 AM, Darth-Baiter said:

Mine are not that great looking either.  But I clip the tag ends tight. I actually took a pic for my brother.  (Getting ready for Texoma Striper trip!).  20lb braid to 12lb flouro, so the resulting knot is a schooch larger - but not by much. 
 

 

Slow down on your wraps. You need to focus on getting each wrap behind the last and pull tightly. Keep as much tension as possible. Once you have enough wrapps focus on keeping tension and get 1 good over hand knot with your fluero. Lighter is key for cleaning up tag ends and really locks it in as well

On 4/6/2022 at 10:15 AM, roadwarrior said:

I don't get it. If I were fishing for yellowfin tuna, maybe. The Alberto is easy, dependable and

 meets all my needs in freshwater.

Its a profile thing for me. Its much more streamlined which helps with castabity.

[Darth-Baiter]

1 hour ago, Bdnoble84 said:

Slow down on your wraps. You need to focus on getting each wrap behind the last and pull tightly. Keep as much tension as possible. Once you have enough wrapps focus on keeping tension and get 1 good over hand knot with your fluero. Lighter is key for cleaning up tag ends and really locks it in as well

Its a profile thing for me. Its much more streamlined which helps with castabity.

Noted!

 

I found there is such thing as “too much” tension.  The knot won’t start stringing out properly if it’s too tight.