Old school thread wraps vs polymer for guides

[CrashVector]

All of my older rods have thread wrappings to attach the guides to the rod, with an epoxy-type material over the thread.

 

My newest rods, it looks like some kind of polymer shrink-wrap maybe, I'm not sure.

 

Just curious if anyone knows if either is more sensitive than the other?

 

Most custom jobs are thread that I can see.

[S Hovanec]

Never seen a rod with shrink wrap holding the guides.

[CrashVector]

39 minutes ago, S Hovanec said:

Never seen a rod with shrink wrap holding the guides.

 Abu Garcia veritas rods.  It's not thread.  Maybe just epoxy or something?

 

The Fantasista X and tournament edition rods are thread under resin.

[S Hovanec]

On 3/19/2022 at 3:36 PM, CrashVector said:

 Abu Garcia veritas rods.  It's not thread.  Maybe just epoxy or something?

 

The Fantasista X and tournament edition rods are thread under resin.

 

The old white Veritas are most certainly thread under a very hard finish of some sorts.  I made enough money replacing those junk guides to buy my lathe.

[MickD]

While I don't know exactly what you are referring to , I do know that a company is developing a wrap product which is much more efficient labor wise than thread wraps, and it sounds like what you are referring to.  Don't be surprised if much changes in the big box rod world soon.  

 

If I made my living wrapping for a big box company, I would start looking around for other opportunities.

[Jigfishn10]

I used to use a burnish tool prior to epoxy coating. I know at some point they came out with thread that eliminates that step but you think they might still do that? Some, not all, of my wraps looked like a 1 piece guide wrap? 
 

Sorry @Mick D is that what you were referring too?
 

Maybe that’s what he’s seeing?

[CrashVector]

I'm saying..I prefer thread wraps because they look good and are "old school."

 

I looked closely at my gen3 veritas, and the guides are seated with what looks like just plain black epoxy or something...no wrappings.

 

Just curious if there's an advanced to either using thread or something else to attach guides to a rod.

[MickD]

2 hours ago, Jigfishn10 said:

Sorry @Mick D is that what you were referring too?

I think the product I was referring to was more of a tape which would require much less skill to wrap, easier to learn, faster to accomplish, probably a polymeric tape, but not sure.  

[CrashVector]

39 minutes ago, MickD said:

I think the product I was referring to was more of a tape which would require much less skill to wrap, easier to learn, faster to accomplish, probably a polymeric tape, but not sure.  

That may be what it is..it just looks like black plastic under a clear coat

[WRB]

Old school thread wraps had a base wrap for the guide foot sit on, followed by the thread over wrap holding the double foot guides. Clear coat epoxy then covered the threads.

The base wrap disappeared when single foot guides on casting rods became popular to save weight.

Tom

[Chris Catignani]

1 hour ago, CrashVector said:

Just curious if there's an advanced to either using thread or something else to attach guides to a rod.

If you meant advantage...The only thing that comes to mind is that epoxy will penetrate the tread all the way to the guide foot (if no CP). Which I can attest will secure a guide foot to no end.

Not really sure what the other material properties are...

 

 

[CrashVector]

36 minutes ago, Chris Catignani said:

If you meant advantage...The only thing that comes to mind is that epoxy will penetrate the tread all the way to the guide foot (if no CP). Which I can attest will secure a guide foot to no end.

Not really sure what the other material properties are...

 

 

 

Yeah..sorry for the autocorrect typo lol

 

Thanks for the input!

 

 

 

[spoonplugger1]

Take a guide with no thread holding it and use epoxy wrapping finish to hold it down. Do the same with Permagloss, try to remove the guide, tell me again what a great anchoring compound epoxy finish is.

[MickD]

This discussion of "is it the thread or is it the epoxy" has been going on almost forever.  So here is my take on it.  It's analagous to plywood and composite materials.  The result is greater than the sum of the parts.  Neither the thread/epoxy does well alone, neither the wood/glue does well alone.  But put them together and the result is better than one would expect knowing the characteristics of both parts. 

[CrashVector]

The question is...what are those characteristics, and which would be the better choice for a more sensitive finesse rod.

[Chris Catignani]

1 hour ago, CrashVector said:

The question is...what are those characteristics, and which would be the better choice for a more sensitive finesse rod.

I would have to pick thread and epoxy.

Now...someone may argue...But Chris..."the new wrap is lighter and more sensitive."

And to that...I say lighter does not equate to more sensitive. It does mean that it weighs less and may be more comfortable over long hours. It may also mean that the blank dynamics dont change much. But it doesn't make it sensitive. That is a property of the material. The harder (transmits vibration) the better.

[S Hovanec]

I wrapped a rod once and was in a hurry to fish it so I didn't apply finish.  I fished it and It rode around in my boat for years with just the thread.  A guide occasionally got knocked out of alignment.  I finally had to strip it and rewrap because the wraps were starting to get moldy.  Imo, all the epoxy does is protect the thread.

[Chris Catignani]

9 hours ago, S Hovanec said:

I wrapped a rod once and was in a hurry to fish it so I didn't apply finish.  I fished it and It rode around in my boat for years with just the thread.  A guide occasionally got knocked out of alignment.  I finally had to strip it and rewrap because the wraps were starting to get moldy.  Imo, all the epoxy does is protect the thread.

It can also support, and lock in place, a poorly wrapped guide. But yeah it protects the thread.

Originally is was a better "sealer" then lacquer products, which would take what seemed like five coats and would take a few days.

[S Hovanec]

2 hours ago, Chris Catignani said:

It can also support, and lock in place, a poorly wrapped guide. But yeah it protects the thread.

 

The NRXs and Conquests are a prime example of that! Lol.

[Huckfinn38]

Some older rods used light coat of rod varnish.  99% of todays rods use 2 part epoxy.  

[Seaworthy81]

On 3/19/2022 at 4:46 PM, CrashVector said:

I'm saying..I prefer thread wraps because they look good and are "old school."

 

I looked closely at my gen3 veritas, and the guides are seated with what looks like just plain black epoxy or something...no wrappings.

 

Just curious if there's an advanced to either using thread or something else to attach guides to a rod.

Good dark black thread almost always looks like that when finished unless it has gaps.