My mea culpa regarding fluorocarbon line

[CrashVector]

I found one that is pretty comparable to mono in how it handles.  One problem: it isn't made anymore.

 

I had ordered several when I was trying the tatsu, and it came in yesterday.

 

Berkeley Trilene fluorocarbon xl.  I got the 8lb.  Apparently though, Berkeley quit making it, so there's limited quantities left, BUT...

 

The knot strength using a Palomar knot is comparable to regular xl, and it didn't seem to jump off my spinning reel.  It did show a bit of coiling on slack line, but mono does it as well and it was no worse.

 

So...I admit..there IS a fluoro that is comparable to mono in terms of knot strength and memory.  Just gotta buy it quick before retailers sell out lol

[MN Fisher]

19 minutes ago, CrashVector said:

Just gotta buy it quick before retailers sell out lol

Scheels still has 6#, 8# and 10# in stock to ship

https://www.scheels.com/p/trilene-100%-fluorocarbon-xl/8950-1311935.html

[CrashVector]

5 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

Scheels still has 6#, 8# and 10# in stock to ship

https://www.scheels.com/p/trilene-100%-fluorocarbon-xl/8950-1311935.html

 

I got it from Amazon.  Don't get me wrong, I still don't see the point of fluoro, but that wasn't what I said.

 

I said that fluoro had too much memory and was too stiff.  The xl fluorocarbon IS more stiff than nylon, but not so much so that it's unmanageable, and I'm leaving it on the spinning combo I put it on to try it out.  No reason to cut it off.

 

The tatsu was ridiculous.

[jbsoonerfan]

5 hours ago, CrashVector said:

I still don't see the point of fluoro, but that wasn't what I said.

 

The tatsu was ridiculous.

Then why are you using it? Simply to say you think it is junk? As I said in the other thread, as well as many others said, it has it's time and place. It is better at abrasion resistance in rock. It fishes in and around wood better than braid. It is more sensitive in deeper water than mono. It can get cranks down to depth quicker. If you don't need it for any reason, then why in the world would you use it? I'm not sure what your deal is, but you make absolutely no sense if indeed you are trying to make a point. I had you on ignore, but I just had to see what kind of stupid post you made. When you said Tatsu was ridiculous, it made me 100% certain you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

[CrashVector]

Because it was suggested that I try it before forming an opinion of it, so I did just that.

 

Yeah..I've no idea what I'm talking about lmfao!

 

You don't like my opinion?  Feel free to re-ignore me if you can't stand someone not acting like you're Roland Martin the 2nd and just taking your word for something.

 

I spent the $52.99 on a spool of 12lb tatsu, and it performed poorly compared the the sunline and xl, which were pretty decent.

[jbsoonerfan]

1 minute ago, CrashVector said:

Because it was suggested that I try it before forming an opinion of it, so I did just that.

For what technique would it benefit you? Walking the bank on ponds, you can get by with mono and braid and have ZERO need for fluoro. Fishing rocky lakes, deep lakes, tree filled lakes, etc. it is needed in some cases. I wish you could understand that it is a need based line, and comes in handy when needed. 

[CrashVector]

2 minutes ago, jbsoonerfan said:

For what technique would it benefit you? Walking the bank on ponds, you can get by with mono and braid and have ZERO need for fluoro. Fishing rocky lakes, deep lakes, tree filled lakes, etc. it is needed in some cases. I wish you could understand that it is a need based line, and comes in handy when needed. 

 

I get that.  I was merely seeing if it held up to the claims of handling like mono.  It does not.

 

I'm mostly a kayak fisherman.  Repeated surgeries put me on the bank til next month 

[jbsoonerfan]

It does for a lot of people including myself. I used 15 lb Tatsu Monday in a 20 mph wind throwing a squarebill and it performed flawlessly. 

[rangerjockey]

I wouldn't expect much support for your opinion on Tatsu.  Its great stuff, but some struggle with Flouro on a spinning reel and a lot of folks just do the braid to leader deal.

How exactly are you spooling it onto the reel and how are you measuring knot strength ?

 I'm sure you will know.. But you have to wet the knot on Flouro before you cinch it.

 

[Phil77]

I had a bad experience with seaguar years ago and wont buy any of their products ever again. I still use FC for a couple techniques and like it but mono and braid work just as well for me. I guess it's more of a confidence thing for most anglers. I'm using sunline assassin and sniper for a few things but still love my P-line cxx and J-Braid.

[CrashVector]

1 hour ago, rangerjockey said:

I wouldn't expect much support for your opinion on Tatsu.  Its great stuff, but some struggle with Flouro on a spinning reel and a lot of folks just do the braid to leader deal.

How exactly are you spooling it onto the reel and how are you measuring knot strength ?

 I'm sure you will know.. But you have to wet the knot on Flouro before you cinch it.

 

 

It was on a Revo S baitcaster.  I had it tightened down so much the bait wouldn't move when I hit the release, and it still tried to unwind itself off the spool 

 

Knot strength tested with a scale and Palomar knot.

 

Yes...I wet the knot first.

 

It broke at an average of 9.1lbs over 7 tests.

1 hour ago, Phil77 said:

I had a bad experience with seaguar years ago and wont buy any of their products ever again. I still use FC for a couple techniques and like it but mono and braid work just as well for me. I guess it's more of a confidence thing for most anglers. I'm using sunline assassin and sniper for a few things but still love my P-line cxx and J-Braid.

 

The sunline assassin was one of the other two I tried.  It was easier/more manageable than the tatsu.

[rangerjockey]

Sometimes over-braking a reel to try and control a backlash works against you regardless of what line you're using.

 I'm unsure what diameter Tatsu you were trying but you mentioned 8lb. Trilene,

I wouldn't use that on a baitcaster personally.

Sounds like you have experience but, is it possible you're overfilling the spool?

 I'm on my second year with it on one of my jig rods and I've gotten 3 years out of it in the past.

Sometime this year I'll cut the bait off hand the line to my wife and have her go for a stroll until I can see the backing knot off the rod tip cut it off and walk to her and tie that end onto the backing and wind it on and use the other end for another year or so.

 

 

 

[Mojo Bass]

3 hours ago, CrashVector said:

Knot strength tested with a scale and Palomar knot.

 

Yes...I wet the knot first.

 

It broke at an average of 9.1lbs over 7 tests.

 

Tackletour did a full review of 12lb Tatsu and a knot strength as well. Interesting results 

also I saw your YouTube video of you fishing with the Tatsu and I did see you backlashing a lot…… why that was happening I don’t understand 12lb Tatsu is very manageable. I use 20lb Tatsu on a Gen4 revo sx which is very similar to the revo s you use. When I cast my 20lb Tatsu I don’t get any backlashes….. I will admit sometimes mid cast the reel will fluff a little but so minor that by the time my bait hits the water it’s gone ??‍♂️ I can’t imagine the braking system on the SX is thaaaaaat much better than the S model. So I really don’t understand why you were backlasting every other cast 

 

point being after that experience you had though I can understand why you wouldn’t enjoy the line because your fishing experience didn’t exactly look like a fun one ??‍♂️ 
 

 

[CrashVector]

4 hours ago, VanIsleBassin said:

Tackletour did a full review of 12lb Tatsu and a knot strength as well. Interesting results 

also I saw your YouTube video of you fishing with the Tatsu and I did see you backlashing a lot…… why that was happening I don’t understand 12lb Tatsu is very manageable. I use 20lb Tatsu on a Gen4 revo sx which is very similar to the revo s you use. When I cast my 20lb Tatsu I don’t get any backlashes….. I will admit sometimes mid cast the reel will fluff a little but so minor that by the time my bait hits the water it’s gone ??‍♂️ I can’t imagine the braking system on the SX is thaaaaaat much better than the S model. So I really don’t understand why you were backlasting every other cast 

 

point being after that experience you had though I can understand why you wouldn’t enjoy the line because your fishing experience didn’t exactly look like a fun one ??‍♂️ 
 

 

 

Man I tried everything I could think of:. I tightened the spool tension down so far my bait didn't drop, I went up on the magnetic antibacklash to about 80%, and I thumbed the crap out of it on casts to the point you could hear it, and I could feel it unwinding.  

 

I DID have a few casts that didn't do it, but they were short casts.  Anytime I put a little more into it, I had problems.

 

The sunline...no problems.  The xl fluoro...no problems.

 

I have an SX as well.  The brakes are quite a bit better, but I hardly ever backlash any of my reels, and the xl fluoro didn't do it 

[Mojo Bass]

1 hour ago, CrashVector said:

 

Man I tried everything I could think of:. I tightened the spool tension down so far my bait didn't drop, I went up on the magnetic antibacklash to about 80%, and I thumbed the crap out of it on casts to the point you could hear it, and I could feel it unwinding.  

 

I DID have a few casts that didn't do it, but they were short casts.  Anytime I put a little more into it, I had problems.

 

The sunline...no problems.  The xl fluoro...no problems.

 

I have an SX as well.  The brakes are quite a bit better, but I hardly ever backlash any of my reels, and the xl fluoro didn't do it 

im just getting back home now from a short stink on the lake and I did an “experiment” out of my curiosity because I’m still wondering why you backlash like crazy and I don’t

 

so I was out on the water throwing a spinnerbait and I thought I’m gonna turn all the centrifugal brakes off my sx (which you know has both mag and centrifugal brakes) leave everything as I have it and see what happens no thumb or anything…… can you guess what happened? I started getting backlashes quite consistently ??‍♂️ Not crazy huge ones but enough that you’d be annoyed by it

 

and that was all I did because after that I turned 3/6 of the centrifugal brakes back on and went back to fishing like nothing ever happened! 
 

anywho my point being maayyyybe the braking system really does make a difference ??‍♂️ Could I of still casted the lure fine with the centrifugal brakes off and just used my thumb and adjusted the mat brakes and spool tension? Maybe I don’t know I didn’t even try because I legitimately just did like 3 casts with them off and was like this sucks let’s go back to what works 

 

So that’s my story yes it is wonderful 

 

 

[MN Fisher]

27 minutes ago, VanIsleBassin said:

and that was all I did because after that I turned 3/6 of the centrifugal brakes back on and went back to fishing like nothing ever happened! 

Ya, I run 15# Tatsu on my Patriarch for bottom-contact (jigs, T-Rigs, etc).

Set 3/6 pins on, and set the mag to about 40% with the spool tension to slow-drop/stop.

 

Can't remember the last time I backlashed that setup.

[Mojo Bass]

38 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

Ya, I run 15# Tatsu on my Patriarch for bottom-contact (jigs, T-Rigs, etc).

Set 3/6 pins on, and set the mag to about 40% with the spool tension to slow-drop/stop.

 

Can't remember the last time I backlashed that setup.

 
That’s essentially the exact same as what I do with 20lbs and it never backlashes its awesome. 

[Mat_ski]

[Sam Spade]

Any chance your Tatsu is counterfeit from Amazon or Ebay?

[CrashVector]

39 minutes ago, Sam Spade said:

Any chance your Tatsu is counterfeit from Amazon or Ebay?

 I bought it at bps, but I suppose there's always the chance it was a bad spool or something?

[Sam Spade]

1 minute ago, CrashVector said:

 I bought it at bps, but I suppose there's always the chance it was a bad spool or something?

Possibly.  Not counterfeit from Bass Pro, but there's a lot of reports of counterfeit high-end line from Amazon and Ebay.

[CrashVector]

2 minutes ago, Sam Spade said:

Possibly.  Not counterfeit from Bass Pro, but there's a lot of reports of counterfeit high-end line from Amazon and Ebay.

 

Yeah, I saw a lot of videos on it...I don't know what some of those lines were, but some of them were horrible.

 

The spool I got was very stiff and wirey.  About like 30lb big game, but I bought the 12lb tatsu.

[MN Fisher]

3 minutes ago, CrashVector said:

The spool I got was very stiff and wirey.  About like 30lb big game, but I bought the 12lb tatsu.

Had to be a bad spool - happens occasionally.

 

My 15# Tatsu is more supple than the 12# YZH on my crank-rig...and almost as supple as the 10# Big Game I use as backing material on my casting reels.

[CrashVector]

3 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

Had to be a bad spool - happens occasionally.

 

My 15# Tatsu is more supple than the 12# YZH on my crank-rig...and almost as supple as the 10# Big Game I use as backing material on my casting reels.

 

 

Then it HAD to be bc it was nowhere near as limp as yzh.  But I still paid $52.99 for it, and I'd never again pay that nosebleed price for a spool of ANY line.

[MN Fisher]

3 minutes ago, CrashVector said:

 

Then it HAD to be bc it was nowhere near as limp as yzh.  But I still paid $52.99 for it, and I'd never again pay that nosebleed price for a spool of ANY line.

I only have a spool of it cause a generous member here sent it to me as a gift. I only put 70yds on my Patriarch...so I have two more spoolings worth.

 

Then I'll probably drop to InvizX - I have 6# and 8# on a couple spinning reels and I'm really liking it actually.

 

KVD L&L is also a staple in my box - everything but braid gets treated.