Super User slonezp Posted March 18, 2022 Super User Posted March 18, 2022 1 hour ago, TnRiver46 said: I’ve been buying junk from China my whole life, it’s fairly unavoidable and they do make some decent stuff for cheap. China makes both good and bad junk. A lot of the big box stores carry the junk. I'm not singling out BPS. Home depot's HDX products are garbage. It's all part of keeping prices low to the end user. Harbor Freight is hit or miss. Etc. Quote
softwateronly Posted March 18, 2022 Posted March 18, 2022 4 hours ago, MN Fisher said: In terms of overall lithium mining - 2021 figures Australia - 55k tons Chile - 26k tons China - 14k tons USA produced only 1% of all the lithium mined last year. "But today, the U.S. is far behind, with only 1% of global lithium being mined and processed in the U.S., according to the U.S. Geological Survey." https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/15/how-the-us-fell-way-behind-in-lithium-white-gold-for-evs.html Don't forget China's belt and road campaign in Africa and SA because thats where the largest underutilized deposits are in aggregate. Since they are mostly into refining and transportation, the numbers probably wouldn't show up in that list. They are future proofing their manufacturing dominance by having access to and relationships with these land owners. scott 1 Quote
BigAngus752 Posted March 18, 2022 Posted March 18, 2022 BACK TO THE TOPIC: Not to hijack, but I am definitely in the "brick and mortar" camp and would prefer to buy from somewhere I can go back to and have a "hulk smash" moment if the battery fails. Can anyone tell us any other chains, other than BPS, that we might find some lithium batts? I've got a BPS about 90 minutes away and that's likely what I will do. 2 Quote
Super User WRB Posted March 18, 2022 Super User Posted March 18, 2022 California’s Death Valley to Owens dry lake area is rich in Lithium and Rare Earth minerals. The problems for decades has been the EPA opening up mining it’s a fragile area with multiple endangered species. Maybe Musk has the contacts to open it up, be good for our future. Tom 1 Quote
Super User slonezp Posted March 18, 2022 Super User Posted March 18, 2022 Here's a couple articles on Musk and lithium mining. https://electrek.co/2020/09/23/tesla-mining-business-buys-lithium-claim-acres-nevada/ https://teslanorth.com/2021/07/11/teslas-new-table-salt-lithium-extraction-process-detailed-in-patent/ Quote
Super User slonezp Posted March 19, 2022 Super User Posted March 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Dirtyeggroll said: This thread is getting derailed. Can a mod just put it out of its misery? There are other forums for this kind of crap. With all due respect, I merely stated my opinion and refrained from taking this further because the thread shouldn't be closed. 3 Quote
Super User flyfisher Posted March 19, 2022 Super User Posted March 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Dirtyeggroll said: This thread is getting derailed. Can a mod just put it out of its misery? There are other forums for this kind of crap. 1 3 Quote
Big Rick Posted March 19, 2022 Author Posted March 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Dirtyeggroll said: This thread is getting derailed. Can a mod just put it out of its misery? There are other forums for this kind of crap. While I do agree that this thread has taken a turn, it is still on topic, generally, and isn't bashing any person on here or any company in particular. As I have stated in other threads, I love free speech. Even speech I don't agree with. That's what has made America what it is. And what we are quickly losing sight of: individual thought and ideas. That said, I have learned some things about lithium I didn't know and gained some other insight as well. I appreciate the forum mods allowing some leeway with statements and thoughts that may push against the barrier a bit. Otherwise, we might as well all be robots on here with no individual thoughts or ideas. Let's leave the thread open and truck on. Thanks. 2 hours ago, BigAngus752 said: BACK TO THE TOPIC: Not to hijack, but I am definitely in the "brick and mortar" camp and would prefer to buy from somewhere I can go back to and have a "hulk smash" moment if the battery fails. Can anyone tell us any other chains, other than BPS, that we might find some lithium batts? I've got a BPS about 90 minutes away and that's likely what I will do. I'm confident your larger boat dealerships would keep a line of lithium batteries. 3 Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted March 19, 2022 Global Moderator Posted March 19, 2022 From a lithium outsider perspective, it sounds like the tracker marine lithium works pretty well. I’ve heard it from a couple different places Quote
Big Rick Posted March 19, 2022 Author Posted March 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said: From a lithium outsider perspective, it sounds like the tracker marine lithium works pretty well. I’ve heard it from a couple different places Glad to hear it. I intend to buy from there. I know I can save $100 on the front end buying online, but I'm leery of a warranty issue and shipping costs to get one replaced. 1 Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted March 19, 2022 Global Moderator Posted March 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Big Rick said: Glad to hear it. I intend to buy from there. I know I can save $100 on the front end buying online, but I'm leery of a warranty issue and shipping costs to get one replaced. I haven’t heard from anyone that has turned one back in, only folks I know haven’t had them very long . Kind of new at the moment I guess Quote
Big Rick Posted March 19, 2022 Author Posted March 19, 2022 1 minute ago, TnRiver46 said: I haven’t heard from anyone that has turned one back in, only folks I know haven’t had them very long . Kind of new at the moment I guess True, but BPS has a great reputation on product returns that gives me confidence in purchasing a "kinda new" product from them and taking the chance they'll take it back if defective. Quote
BigAngus752 Posted March 19, 2022 Posted March 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Rick said: I'm confident your larger boat dealerships would keep a line of lithium batteries. I'm sure you're right. Unfortunately I live in east/central Illinois. The closest boat dealer is the BPS I mentioned. Thank you for the suggestion though. Quote
Super User flyfisher Posted March 20, 2022 Super User Posted March 20, 2022 On 3/18/2022 at 10:31 PM, BigAngus752 said: I'm sure you're right. Unfortunately I live in east/central Illinois. The closest boat dealer is the BPS I mentioned. Thank you for the suggestion though. The other thing to look at when thinking about BPS is a lot of times they have special deals going uf you open up a credit card with them. I know I did it when I picked up my Helix 5SI like 7 years ago. Gave me a percentage off and a bunch of bonus points. Now I only use that card when I want something from there and get the bonus points. 1 Quote
Big Rick Posted March 20, 2022 Author Posted March 20, 2022 Well, I went with the Tracker Batteries. I had $140 in points and they had free shipping so I saved a 4 hour round trip drive with gas at $4.00 a gallon as well. I also got a NOCO charger on the order. I'm excited to see how well my Ultrex will perform with the LiFePo batteries. Barring some issue with them this could very well be my last battery purchase for this boat. And saving 100 pounds on the stern of a 17.5 ft G3 will also reap positive benefits as I fish a lot of shallow water. Thanks to everyone for your input and advice. I weighed it all carefully before pulling the trigger on my choice and your input definitely had an influence on my final decision. 9 Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted March 20, 2022 Global Moderator Posted March 20, 2022 10 hours ago, Big Rick said: Well, I went with the Tracker Batteries. I had $140 in points and they had free shipping so I saved a 4 hour round trip drive with gas at $4.00 a gallon as well. I also got a NOCO charger on the order. I'm excited to see how well my Ultrex will perform with the LiFePo batteries. Barring some issue with them this could very well be my last battery purchase for this boat. And saving 100 pounds on the stern of a 17.5 ft G3 will also reap positive benefits as I fish a lot of shallow water. Thanks to everyone for your input and advice. I weighed it all carefully before pulling the trigger on my choice and your input definitely had an influence on my final decision. Cool deal, Let us know your results!! Quote
Super User Bird Posted March 20, 2022 Super User Posted March 20, 2022 Can we simplify it even more ? Lol Lithium batteries are far superior to lead acid regardless of origin. 3 Quote
Super User flyfisher Posted March 21, 2022 Super User Posted March 21, 2022 15 minutes ago, Bird said: Can we simplify it even more ? Lol Lithium batteries are far superior to lead acid regardless of origin. Absolutely the truth right there. Only downside is price and even that gap is rapidly closing 2 Quote
Big Rick Posted March 21, 2022 Author Posted March 21, 2022 22 hours ago, flyfisher said: Absolutely the truth right there. Only downside is price and even that gap is rapidly closing Considering the times you can discharge and recharge the lithium batteries versus the standard lead acid batteries LiFePo batteries are actually cheaper over the life of your boat. 1 Quote
Super User MN Fisher Posted March 21, 2022 Super User Posted March 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, Big Rick said: Considering the times you can discharge and recharge the lithium batteries versus the standard lead acid batteries LiFePo batteries are actually cheaper over the life of your boat. Ya - but as said, the upfront cost is beyond the means of some of us. The F-9 rebuild has to come in under a certain amount...there is no extra to be had. And going with AGMs, it's gonna be right down to the wire. Quote
Big Rick Posted March 22, 2022 Author Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, MN Fisher said: Ya - but as said, the upfront cost is beyond the means of some of us. The F-9 rebuild has to come in under a certain amount...there is no extra to be had. And going with AGMs, it's gonna be right down to the wire. I completely understand budgeting for a project. I have 5 boys and 3 girls. 2 Quote
Super User gim Posted March 22, 2022 Super User Posted March 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Big Rick said: Considering the times you can discharge and recharge the lithium batteries versus the standard lead acid batteries LiFePo batteries are actually cheaper over the life of your boat. What does a tracker lithium battery cost if I may ask? I’ve been using the same interstate cranking lead acid battery since I bought my boat in 2015 and I am going to finally replace it this spring. It would be very hard to convince me to replace it with anything else after that kind of longevity and cost. 1 Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted March 22, 2022 Global Moderator Posted March 22, 2022 36 minutes ago, Big Rick said: I completely understand budgeting for a project. I have 5 boys and 3 girls. Whoa!! You are a patient man 2 Quote
Super User gim Posted March 22, 2022 Super User Posted March 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said: Whoa!! You are a patient man You can say that again 1 Quote
Super User slonezp Posted March 22, 2022 Super User Posted March 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said: Whoa!! You are a patient man Patient isn't the word I'd use ? 3 Quote
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