Chemically sharpened vs cutting point hooks

[Mbirdsley]

12 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

Hate cutting point hooks. They tear up the plastics and slice big holes in the fish's mouth making it easier for the fish to toss the hook. Conical hooks are my hooks of choice. 

I’m in this camp.  I like the owner cutting point s in 1/0 and 2/0 worm hooks.  That’s what I use for mojo rigging and small t-rigs. Anything bigger and I feel you are putting a huge hole in the fishes mouth. Which, makes it easier for the hook to come out. Honestly,  I’ve yet to have to re sharpen the kvd’s.  Some cranks are going on 3 years with the same hooks that I replaced originally. 
 

On my bass stuff I replace unless I’m on the boat and than I’ll sharpen real quick with a cheap hook file.  All trebles are kvd 1x short 1x strong

 

walleye trolling baits I run stock hooks and resharpen  

[Deleted account]

On 3/16/2022 at 1:07 PM, Mat_ski said:

Always have one handy on the water. As stated above, resharpening takes less than a minute regardless of how it was sharpened initially. If the hook hangs vertically of my fingernail it is ready to go. Look up old school Lefty Kreh video on hook sharpening, still valid. 

That's the one. Used to "borrow" them from the wife, now she gives them to me as Xmas gifts, along with nail clippers...

[J Francho]

If a hook goes dull, I replace it.  If I can't replace it, I have a little hook sharpening stone that works well.

[T-Billy]

On 3/16/2022 at 2:12 PM, Bluebasser86 said:

Hate cutting point hooks. They tear up the plastics and slice big holes in the fish's mouth making it easier for the fish to toss the hook. Conical hooks are my hooks of choice. 

Agree 100%. 

[CrashVector]

On 3/16/2022 at 1:12 PM, Bluebasser86 said:

Hate cutting point hooks. They tear up the plastics and slice big holes in the fish's mouth making it easier for the fish to toss the hook. Conical hooks are my hooks of choice. 

 

Never thought of that to be honest, so thanks for pointing it out.  I'm all about being humane to the animals I harvest (even catch and release), so it DOES matter to me.  A lot.

 

I'll pay more attention on my next couple catches...if I see big holes in the fish's mouth, I'll definitely go back just for that reason alone.

 

If I'm willing to pass up shots on deer, rabbits, and squirrels because I demand a clean, humane kill with one shot, then I'm certainly not gonna tear big holes in a fish's mouth needlessly.

 

I appreciate the heads up.  Sincerely.

[Kirtley Howe]

On 3/16/2022 at 7:04 AM, A-Jay said:

Love Owner & Gamakatsu offerings with some VMC and Mustad use here & there.

I have & use Trokar some but their use is limited for me. 

That 'knife edge' makes short work of my soft plastics.

Probably just me but either way,

if I'm Tex-posing anything, Trokar never gets the nod.

A-Jay

I have used almost every brand, and every type of sharpening.....and I still find it difficult to resharpen then to a good point. But I keep trying.  Funny thing though, the hooks I have that were the sharpest out of the package, and held that sharpness during use, came out of a "no-name" box of hooks I bought on ebay (made in China most likely, thought not marked as to country of origin). I have not had any luck getting more that way, and now do not buy hooks unless I know the brand. Owner and Tokar are  my favorites these days. If you have problems with the Tokar hooks cutting up your plastics, try using the Z brand (elaztec?) plastics. They really hold up.

 

[WRB]

I recall when Owner came out with cutting hook point and being Thomas was a skeptic thinking blades cut both ways.

So I kept with Gamakatsu hooks for several years.

Then I tried Owner hooks fishing Iovino who was a sponsor by them. The cutting point doesn’t cut itself out when penetrated like any other hook past the barb.

Since I use Gamakatsu jig hooks and occasionally hit rocks with the hook point I sharpen them using a diamond hook hone if needed. Not going to throw away a jig just because the point isn’t sharp.

Haven’t used a Tokar because haven’t needed to buy any hooks and they are pricy, not because of the knife point.

Tom

 

 

[Glenn]

Once a hook is dull, it doesn't matter how it came in the package.  It won't work. So I sharpen it. 

 

For that matter, I often sharpen hooks right out of the package.  I want my hook to dig into my fingernail, not scratch it.  This means that often new hooks aren't sharp enough for my taste.  

 

Here's how I get them razor-sharp:

 

 

 

[RB 77]

The cutting points are a big no-go for me. They cut/ tear too big of a hole in the mouth of a fish thrash plastics. Conical point pierce just was is needed to get past the barb. I prefer Gammys, but use all the top brands (no cheapies) and the expense of a single hook is not worth trying to resharpen regularly for me. 

[GetFishorDieTryin]

For smaller hooks I like the little DMT pocket sharpeners in a fine grit.  For bigger hooks like jigs and chatterbaits a file is the way to go.  I think a lot of people have issues landing fish on chatterbaits because they dont check the hook point nearly enough.

[Catt]

10 hours ago, WRB said:

The cutting point doesn’t cut itself out when penetrated like any other hook past the barb.

 

Ever shoot a bow? 

 

While a broadhead doesn't cut its way out it does continue cut with every movement the animal makes. The arrow doesn't have a string pulling back against it!

 

Lots of my buddies throw Trokar with great success but everytime I've used one I look at the "slice" made by the hook & shake my head.

 

Like sharpening hooks, it's personal preference.

 

 

[CrashVector]

11 hours ago, Glenn said:

Once a hook is dull, it doesn't matter how it came in the package.  It won't work. So I sharpen it. 

 

For that matter, I often sharpen hooks right out of the package.  I want my hook to dig into my fingernail, not scratch it.  This means that often new hooks aren't sharp enough for my taste.  

 

Here's how I get them razor-sharp:

 

 

 

I too want mine like a razor.  I use the fingernail test as well lol

2 hours ago, Catt said:

 

Ever shoot a bow? 

 

While a broadhead doesn't cut its way out it does continue cut with every movement the animal makes. The arrow doesn't have a string pulling back against it!

 

Lots of my buddies throw Trokar with great success but everytime I've used one I look at the "slice" made by the hook & shake my head.

 

Like sharpening hooks, it's personal preference.

 

 

 

You prefer the conical points as well?

[Catt]

8 minutes ago, CrashVector said:

You prefer the conical points as well?

 

In broadheads?

 

No sir! I want a broadhead that never stops cutting.

 

I'm old school, I shoot a Bear recurve, & Bear broadheads. 

[CrashVector]

4 minutes ago, Catt said:

 

In broadheads?

 

No sir! I want a broadhead that never stops cutting.

 

I'm old school, I shoot a Bear recurve, & Bear broadheads. 

Fishing hook points lol!

[Catt]

2 minutes ago, CrashVector said:

Fishing hook points lol!

 

Mustad’s 4.3 Micro Sharp Point Technology

[scaleface]

2 hours ago, Catt said:

I shoot a Bear recurve,

I never bow hunted but my Dad did for decades . I have his Bear recurve .

[Deleted account]

20 hours ago, J Francho said:

If a hook goes dull, I replace it.  If I can't replace it, I have a little hook sharpening stone that works well.

Can you put your dull jigs, spinnerbaits, and chatterbaits in a box for me, I'll be around in the fall to grab them...

[J Francho]

4 minutes ago, Deleted account said:

Can you put your dull jigs, spinnerbaits, and chatterbaits

You can file them under "can't replace."  Though I toss spinnerbaits after several catches to avoid snapping that ultimately happens.

[Aaron_H]

1 hour ago, J Francho said:

Though I toss spinnerbaits after several catches to avoid snapping that ultimately happens.

 

This is how the 1% live ?

[J Francho]

It's how people that don't have sob stories about lost fish live.  Simple as that.

[roadwarrior]

19 hours ago, Glenn said:

Once a hook is dull, it doesn't matter how it came in the package.  It won't work. So I sharpen it. 

 

For that matter, I often sharpen hooks right out of the package.  I want my hook to dig into my fingernail, not scratch it.  This means that often new hooks aren't sharp enough for my taste.  

 

Here's how I get them razor-sharp:

 

 

 

                                            

 

[Aaron_H]

7 hours ago, J Francho said:

It's how people that don't have sob stories about lost fish live.  Simple as that.

 

I meant no offense, was only ribbing. I don't throw spinnerbaits often so I have no opinion on how many fish they last for.

[J Francho]

If it gets bent out of shape more than a few times, I toss it. 

[CrashVector]

3 minutes ago, J Francho said:

If it gets bent out of shape more than a few times, I toss it. 

 

Learned that the hard way in Jr high jug lining.  Big huge alligator gars will bend a 3/0 j-hook.  We were kids, so we'd just straighten em back with pliers...until one broke and we lost a big blue cat 

[Aaron_H]

1 hour ago, J Francho said:

If it gets bent out of shape more than a few times, I toss it. 

 

That makes sense, I do the same with the treble hooks that get bent out. Can only take so much abuse before the metal weakens.