Road To The Super Bowl 2023

[senile1]

10 hours ago, Choporoz said:

That looks like almost every single corner defense play...in the NFL... all season.  May have been a 'by the books' call... but it should have been a non-call... in my opinion 

The officials already missed a blatant pass interference by Bradberry in the first half where he grabbed and turned Smith-Schuster. That non-call ended a Chiefs drive.  They should have called that one and maybe have let the last one go.  In my opinion, the issue isn't the call at the end because by the book it was pass interference.  The issue is the inconsistency in how officials call these penalties and it happens to all teams across the NFL.

 

 

[TnRiver46]

18 minutes ago, senile1 said:

The officials already missed a blatant pass interference by Bradberry in the first half where he grabbed and turned Smith-Schuster. That non-call ended a Chiefs drive.  They should have called that one and maybe have let the last one go.  In my opinion, the issue isn't the call at the end because by the book it was pass interference.  The issue is the inconsistency in how officials call these penalties and it happens to all teams across the NFL.

 

 

Thanks for posting that, j was going to say they didn’t call that early, why wait til the end to flag it ? 
 

eagles didn’t deserve to win but still kind of a let down because of it 

[gim]

22 minutes ago, senile1 said:

In my opinion, the issue isn't the call at the end because by the book it was pass interference.

It was called holding, not PI. The infraction occurred prior to the pass.

[Eric 26]

36 minutes ago, gimruis said:

It was called holding, not PI. The infraction occurred prior to the pass.

Good point ??

[senile1]

40 minutes ago, gimruis said:

It was called holding, not PI. The infraction occurred prior to the pass.

 True.  The point is one obviously affected the catch and the other did not and it was inconsistent to call the last one if the first one wasn't called.  The first should have been called.  The second one is debatable to many fans. 

 

I will go out on a limb here and say that I have been questioning the officiating for some years now.  This is speculation but it seems the officiating is designed to keep games close to perpetuate the idea of parity in the NFL and keep every city's fans hanging on the edge hoping their team can pull out a win.  We all see questionable calls that happen to the team we favor, but it happens across the board and typically, I see calls that help bad teams stay in games with good teams.  Once in a while, those calls end up affecting the final result.  How many times have you seen a few questionable calls early in a game affecting one team, and then later in the game it seems the officials attempt to make up for those calls by calling a few questionable ones the other way.  Could it be the NFL wants to keep everyone interested in their games so some of these calls are made to try to keep games close?  ? Ah, but I digress.

[Eric 26]

2 hours ago, TnRiver46 said:

“Play 18 holes on it then get stoned as bejesus”

@TnRiver46 I’m glad someone else knows the movie ?. It’s one of those classics I can definitely rewatch and still find something to laugh about. 

[flyfisher]

4 minutes ago, senile1 said:

 True.  The point is one obviously affected the catch and the other did not and it was inconsistent to call the last one if the first one wasn't called.  The first should have been called.  The second one is debatable to many fans. 

 

I will go out on a limb here and say that I have been questioning the officiating for some years now.  This is speculation but it seems the officiating is designed to keep games close to perpetuate the idea of parity in the NFL and keep every city's fans hanging on the edge hoping their team can pull out a win.  We all see questionable calls that happen to the team we favor, but it happens across the board and typically, I see calls that help bad teams stay in games with good teams.  Once in a while, those calls end up affecting the final result.  How many times have you seen a few questionable calls early in a game affecting one team, and then later in the game it seems the officials attempt to make up for those calls by calling a few questionable ones the other way.  Could it be the NFL wants to keep everyone interested in their games so some of these calls are made to try to keep games close?  ? Ah, but I digress.

i think it is more there are so many rule changes each year that it makes it difficult to hone the skills to mkake the appropriate calls when they are warranted.  Refs didn't impact that ganme to make someone win or lose.  Refs always miss calls or mnake calls fans disagree with, its part of the game really.  

 

[Mike L]

The ref’s don’t just lock onto 1 player before or after the snap.
They’re scanning 22 guys and if something happens at the exact time he looks at a guy, then the decision is made right or wrong at the possible expense of a flagrant penalty 2 yds away out of his line of sight. 
The only exception is the referee who locks onto the QB at the snap 

I think at the snap Bradbury caught his eye as he approached the receiver, when the receiver made his cut he zeroed in on both of them. 

The one they missed is like all the other possible penalties that were occurring all at once, but they just didn’t see it. 
 

 

 

Mike

[senile1]

11 hours ago, flyfisher said:

i think it is more there are so many rule changes each year that it makes it difficult to hone the skills to mkake the appropriate calls when they are warranted.  Refs didn't impact that ganme to make someone win or lose.  Refs always miss calls or mnake calls fans disagree with, its part of the game really.  

 

 

I told my wife the other night you would need one official for each of 22 players on the field to get all the calls right.  There is just too much going on for them to keep up.  I agree that it is part of the game and missed calls are often human error.  But there are those occasional calls that seem to defy explanation.  I suspect many of you have seen them.  Probably one of the most egregious examples was the no-call on interference in the Saints versus Rams playoff game on January 20, 2019.  And once in a while you will see a game where the preponderance of bad calls are called on one team.  It just makes one wonder.  

 

Going back to my earlier post though, I do think the NFL needs to work diligently on consistency in making calls across the spectrum of officials.  With consistency comes acceptance by fans, instead of people thinking they were robbed of victory.  As a Chiefs fan, I am happy they won the Superbowl.  As an NFL fan I can see why Eagles fans might wonder why the calls were a little more loose in the first half, but then were called more strictly in the second.  Consistency in calls would help to eliminate disgruntled fans.  Of course, some fans will always think their team was shafted.  

 

[gim]

30 minutes ago, senile1 said:

I do think the NFL needs to work diligently on consistency in making calls across the spectrum of officials.

Do you remember years ago when they had substitute officials for 3 weeks because the real ones went on strike?  Holy buckets, now that was a train wreck.  Through the first 2 weeks, terrible calls, missed penalties, etc but none that directly led to deciding the outcome of a game.  Then in week 3, on MNF, between the Packers and Seahawks, the final play is called a TD for Seattle when the Packer defender comes down with the ball, resulting in a final second Seahawks win.  The refs initially look at each other, nod in agreement, and signal touchdown.

 

That was the last straw for the substitute refs.  The real ones were paid handsomely the next day and back out there in week 4.

[senile1]

7 minutes ago, gimruis said:

Do you remember years ago when they had substitute officials for 3 weeks because the real ones went on strike?  Holy buckets, now that was a train wreck.  Through the first 2 weeks, terrible calls, missed penalties, etc but none that directly led to deciding the outcome of a game.  Then in week 3, on MNF, between the Packers and Seahawks, the final play is called a TD for Seattle when the Packer defender comes down with the ball, resulting in a final second Seahawks win.  The refs initially look at each other, nod in agreement, and signal touchdown.

 

That was the last straw for the substitute refs.  The real ones were paid handsomely the next day and back out there in week 4.

 

Thanks for jogging my memory with that.  I had forgotten about it.  LOL.  It isn't an easy job to keep up with elite athletes.

[gim]

Just now, senile1 said:

 

Thanks for jogging my memory with that.  I had forgotten about it.  LOL.  It isn't an easy job to keep up with elite athletes.

I don't even really remember when it was either.  It may been Russell Wilson's rookie year in Seattle, so we're talking what, 12-13 years ago already.

[senile1]

Wikipedia states it was 2012.

[Eric 26]

Our local sports radio (Waddle & Silvy) we’re talking about how the NFL has made the definition of penalties very difficult to define over the years in order to make the game safer yet causing a lot of confusion which is manifesting itself in the calls/no calls. 

[Tennessee Boy]

The winning kick went over the net and the guy that caught the ball got to take it home!   He has a video of him catching it.
 

Security filters won’t let me post a link to the article.

 

[slonezp]

When I think of Philly, I think of this. It's no wonder they lost

 

[deaknh03]

On 2/13/2023 at 11:07 AM, Jig Man said:

I certainly hope so.  I suffered through the bad times when Lamar Hunt brought in has been quarterbacks who couldn’t win.  His son has turned the franchise around by being willing to spend money and bring in quality people.

They lucked out and drafted mahomes. Any other qb and they suck like they have for 50 years

[Deleted account]

18 hours ago, slonezp said:

When I think of Philly, I think of this. It's no wonder they lost

 

 

LOL. The only good thing about Philly is the scene in Rocky where Mickey goes to his apartment to try to get hired as his manager, Stalone's best, and Burgess Meredith was brilliant.

"Yeah, I got heart, but I ain't got no locker, do I Mick?"

[Eric 26]

1 hour ago, deaknh03 said:

They lucked out and drafted mahomes. Any other qb and they suck like they have for 50 years

You can thank our then clueless general manager Ryan Pace for that gift,  choosing Mitch Trubisky over Patrick Mahomes ?

[Mike L]

6 minutes ago, Eric 26 said:

You can thank our then clueless general manager Ryan Pace for that gift,  choosing Mitch Trubisky over Patrick Mahomes ?

We’ll be just fine with Fields as long as Poles doesn’t bail on him. 

 

 

 

Mike

[roadwarrior]

There is a good chance the Chiefs and Eagles will face each other next year or in 

another Super Bowl down the road. Both have great coaching and quarterbacks.

I would like to see Kansas City add a running component other than Mahomes to

their game.

[Eric 26]

38 minutes ago, Mike L said:

We’ll be just fine with Fields as long as Poles doesn’t bail on him. 

 

 

 

Mike

I agree with you for sure but I will add we really need protection and at least one or 2 decent receivers. Our tight end whose name is escaping me seemed to develop a connection with Fields, at least in my opinion.  I think we finally have a coaching staff and management team that seems to be on the same page also. And lastly if we did get Mahomes that year he probably wouldn’t have developed as he did. 

[flyfisher]

5 hours ago, deaknh03 said:

They lucked out and drafted mahomes. Any other qb and they suck like they have for 50 years

it isn't luck with Reid at this point.  He knows the position and maximizes the talent he has everywhere he has gone.  

 

[Mike L]

3 hours ago, Eric 26 said:

I agree with you for sure but I will add we really need protection and at least one or 2 decent receivers. Our tight end whose name is escaping me seemed to develop a connection with Fields, at least in my opinion.  I think we finally have a coaching staff and management team that seems to be on the same page also. And lastly if we did get Mahomes that year he probably wouldn’t have developed as he did. 

You’re thinking of Cole Kmet

 

Honestly, the jury is still out in my mind about Eberflus. 
Poles, Getsy and the rest of the staff are fine except for Tolbert the WR and Passing Coordinator and Rowe the DB coach. 
 

The best hire of them all was Cunningham. He was offered and refused Arizona’s GM job to stay which now if he gets a promotion next year we’ll get an extra 3rd in 2024.  
 

With the 1st pick to trade down for (hopefully more than once) and 98mil of cap we can turn this thing around quick. 
 

Keep in mind what Cinn did. 
 

 

 

Mike

4 minutes ago, flyfisher said:

it isn't luck with Reid at this point.  He knows the position and maximizes the talent he has everywhere he has gone.  

 

Agree!!

Not to minimize anything that Mahomes has done, but I believe Reid got the best out of him where maybe some other coach wouldn’t. 
 

Case in point…Alex Smith

[flyfisher]

3 minutes ago, Mike L said:

You’re thinking of Cole Kmet

 

Honestly, the jury is still out in my mind about Eberflus. 
Poles, Getsy and the rest of the staff are fine except for Tolbert the WR and Passing Coordinator and Rowe the DB coach. 
 

The best hire of them all was Cunningham. He was offered and refused Arizona’s GM job to stay which now if he gets a promotion next year we’ll get an extra 3rd in 2024.  
 

With the 1st pick to trade down for (hopefully more than once) and 98mil of cap we can turn this thing around quick. 
 

Keep in mind what Cinn did. 
 

 

 

Mike

Agree!!

Not to minimize anything that Mahomes has done, but I believe Reid got the best out of him where maybe some other coach wouldn’t. 
 

Case in point…Alex Smith

Michael Vick

Donovan McNabb

Favre

Even Kevin Kolb looked good when he played.