Low(er) stretch mono?

[The Maestro]

Is there such a thing or is it just a matter of using a higher lb test?

[bwillis]

According to a test I remember reading a few years back, Trilene XL is the lowest stretch mono.  And fluorocarbon actually stretches more than mono, it just takes more force for it to start stretching, at least according to Berkley 

[Deleted account]

There are some monos with less stretch than others, (or is that some monos with more stretch than others?) either way, it's not a huge difference, and yes, increasing the diameter of line results in less stretch for the same application, and is a good way to go assuming it doesn't negatively affect other aspects of what one is trying to do. 

1 hour ago, bwillis said:

it just takes more gorgeous for it to start stretching,

I find that to be very true as I get older...

[bwillis]

d**n autocorrect lolol

[WRB]

The opposite, smaller diameter line has less drag going through water and it’s the bow in the line through the water feel as stretch. FC has lower coefficient of water drag therefore you feel less “stretch”.   

Sunline Defier Armillo is small diameter very smooth line with lower drag then most mono lines.

Tom

[Deleted account]

16 minutes ago, WRB said:

The opposite, smaller diameter line has less drag going through water and it’s the bow in the line through the water feel as stretch. FC has lower coefficient of water drag therefore you feel less “stretch”.   

Sunline Defier Armillo is small diameter very smooth line with lower drag then most mono lines.

Tom

 

Yes, but those are other attributes, not line stretch. That being said, perceived or "functional" stretch is a real thing.

[Team9nine]

13 hours ago, The Maestro said:

Is there such a thing or is it just a matter of using a higher lb test?

Both 

[T-Billy]

8 hours ago, bwillis said:

According to a test I remember reading a few years back, Trilene XL is the lowest stretch mono.  And fluorocarbon actually stretches more than mono, it just takes more force for it to start stretching, at least according to Berkley 

XL is like a rubber band. XT is low stretch and abrasion resistant.

[WRB]

2 hours ago, Deleted account said:

 

Yes, but those are other attributes, not line stretch. That being said, perceived or "functional" stretch is a real thing.

You can’t stretch 15 lb mono line until putting at least 5 lbs of pulling force on the line under short time period when fishing.

The average MH rod will bottom out bending 90 degrees pulling 4 lbs force. 

When fighting fast swimming big game fish like Marlin or Wahoo using 50 lb mono, the fish can be pulling off line against reel drag going the opposite direction off the rod bend do to a big 300 yard bow in the line putting over 20lbs of line drag. Line stretch is misunderstood by bass anglers.

Tom

[bwillis]

1 hour ago, T-Billy said:

XL is like a rubber band. XT is low stretch and abrasion resistant.

You're right, I knew it was one of the 2.  Thanks for the correction.  I found a thread from a few years back to confirm your claim.

 

 

[dodgeguy]

Sufix advance mono has less stretch than any other mono or flouro that I know of by far.

[MN Fisher]

18 minutes ago, dodgeguy said:

Sufix advance mono has less stretch than any other mono or flouro that I know of by far.

No matter they label it monofilament - the fact that they say right up front that part of it's composition is 'Hyper Copolymer' tells me a it's a hybrid.

[dodgeguy]

Technically flouro is a mono line. Mono means single filament. Copolymer lines are also mono.

[WRB]

Terminology or the terms used in fishing can and is confusing.

Monofilament simply means 1 (mono) filament. All single filament lines are monofilament including Nylon, blends of Nylon, Copolymer or blend of 2 different polymers, Fluorocarbon and blends of Fluorocarbons and co-extruded or hybrids like Yo-Zuri. With the exception of hybrid line all the above are extruded into one filament line. Hybrids are co-extruded with a copolymer core then a Fluorocarbon jacket, processed at the same time.

Marketing wants to distinguish their products from the original Nylon monofilament line they call Mono. The 1st new line was Copolymer a blend of Nylon and either Polyester or Polyurethane to improve abrasion resistance and strength. Nylon Mono was susceptible to UV and temperature degradation, additives to improve UV changed coloration like blue, green, Amber etc. Copolymers being Nylon base also needed UV additives, very difficult to see any difference between the 2 monofilament lines.

The late 80’s Seagaur introduced Fluorocarbon fishing line and to set it apart from monofilament lines on the market for decades marketing claimed FC was invisible to fish. This helped sell the new line at 3X the price of traditional monofilament line. Fluorocarbon is newer polymer that has higher specific gravity (weighs more then Nylon), higher temperature resistance, higher tensile properties ( stronger per square inch) and non hygroscopic (doesn’t absorb water). Being stronger FC could be offered in smaller diameters then existing monofilaments, about 10% smaller.

FC also has a very low coefficient of drag going through water. This characteristic prompted marketing to promote less stretch then mono. 

FC seemed like the panacea of fishing line until knot strength raised it’s ugly head. Some FC line makers simply increased the line diameter to equal mono to off set knot strength issues. 

Any line tests should be controlled by approved procedures otherwise the result vary greatly. Stretch can be tested as elongation under specific force applied at a specific rate and length of line.

I tested line for my own use at work using Instron machine that records results. Every single filament line, Nylon mono, Copolymer, FC and hybrid all yield with 33 to 35% of advertised strength. When Fluorocarbon line elongated (stretches) it has very low elasticity and stays elongated whereas Nylons and copolymers are higher elasticity and  tend to retain their original diameter. 

I believe the lower elasticity of FC deforms the line weakening knot strength compared to mono lines.

Long thread that doesn’t or can’t change minds about line stretch because it’s subjective feel to each angler.

Tom

 

 

[Big Swimbait]

My experience with Sunline Shooter Defier Armilo is it has less stretch than mono but more than fluro. To me it's a great solution. I started using it for swimbaits but it is now my cranking line without hesitation.

[Deleted account]

5 hours ago, WRB said:

Line stretch is misunderstood by bass anglers.

Fishing is misunderstood by bass anglers.

[The Maestro]

25 minutes ago, Big Swimbait said:

My experience with Sunline Shooter Defier Armilo is it has less stretch than mono but more than fluro. To me it's a great solution. I started using it for swimbaits but it is now my cranking line without hesitation.

Thanks. I'm looking to have one rod for topwater and squarebills. I've found braid to be the best for poppers (topwater bait I use most) but not so great for squarebills. I like mono for them. I tried straight mono for poppers but just wasn't getting great hooksets especially at distance.

 

I have more than enough rods to have a setup for each but they aren't baits that see a ton of action so I'd rather not have an extra rod when I think I can accomplish it by using a mono with less stretch. 

[Big Rick]

I have had good success with P-Line Topwater. It is listed as a copolymer. It floats very well and has reduced stretch. Knot strength is good (Palomar, anyway) and memory is low. I use 12lb. test. 

[GReb]

Truth be told we could remove every product on the market other than Big Game and everyone would be just fine in most situations 

[dodgeguy]

1 hour ago, Big Swimbait said:

My experience with Sunline Shooter Defier Armilo is it has less stretch than mono but more than fluro. To me it's a great solution. I started using it for swimbaits but it is now my cranking line without hesitation.

Flouro does not have less stretch than mono.

[Catt]

Fluorocarbon was touted as being invisible to fish, come to find out it ain't.

 

Fluorocarbon was touted as having less stretch than monofilament, come to find out that ain't necessarily true.

 

Fluorocarbon was touted as being more abrasion resistant than monofilament, it ain't.

 

Fluorocarbon was touted as having better knot strength than monofilament, it doesn't.

 

Fluorocarbon was touted as having less memory than monofilament, that ain't true either.

 

Sounds a lot like a sales pitch to me!

[padon]

ive been thinking of spooling 2 identical outfits (which i have ) one with fluoro one with mono and trying to tell under real fishing scenarios if i can tell a difference, thats the only way im gonna answer the question in my mind.

[WRB]

Bottom line is your rod bends fully before mono can stretch!

Hook setting requires the line being tight before the rod applies force to the lure because the rod bends during the hook set. 

Swinging the rod into slack or line bow doesn’t move the hook until tight is tight.

Tom

[new2BC4bass]

10 hours ago, dodgeguy said:

Sufix advance mono has less stretch than any other mono or flouro that I know of by far.

According to advertising which is why I bought some 20# for learning how to skip under docks.  Another line that is supposed to have less stretch is Spiderwire Ultracast Ultimate Monofilament.  According to advertising.  I don't think any company has ever stretched the truth in their advertising.

 

I've got some of the Spiderwire (10#) spooled, but haven't used it yet.

[T-Billy]

6 hours ago, Catt said:

Fluorocarbon was touted as being invisible to fish, come to find out it ain't.

 

Fluorocarbon was touted as having less stretch than monofilament, come to find out that ain't necessarily true.

 

Fluorocarbon was touted as being more abrasion resistant than monofilament, it ain't.

 

Fluorocarbon was touted as having better knot strength than monofilament, it doesn't.

 

Fluorocarbon was touted as having less memory than monofilament, that ain't true either.

 

Sounds a lot like a sales pitch to me!

Roger that Catt. Flouro is denser. It sinks and transmits vibrations better, making it easier to detect bites than mono. Mono is superior in every other way. 

 

12 hours ago, dodgeguy said:

Sufix advance mono has less stretch than any other mono or flouro that I know of by far.

I've fished 'em both, and hooked my jigs to the front of my trailer, walked out about 30' of line and pulled on 'em side by side. Advance has SLIGHTLY less stretch than Trilene XT. Not enough to make any meaningful difference. XT is cheaper, more abrasion resistant and has less memory. Advance is good mono, but it doesn't live up to the advertising hype IMO.