There's this question I have been wanting to ask for a long time

[BrianMDTX]

22 minutes ago, Spankey said:

Dove can be made a million ways I guess. 
 

But an Easy, simple, tasty way for them.  Dress out the doves and pop out the breast meat. Only real meat on them. Wash them real good and marinade them in the fridge for a few hours. Remove them from fridge, break out a bag of Shake & Bake for chicken, shake um down and do them up on a cookie sheet. 
 

Better than any Chicken Mc Nugget or King Nugget or there. Not a bunch of pressed shaped meat from floor scraps. 
 

Wild Turkey, season it up good and try to make  it in a brown and serve bag. Just a suggestion. 

Dove breast. Wrap in bacon. Cook on hot grill quickly. It’s so good!

 

My opinion: dumbest bird on ground (you could walk up and hit one with a rock); smartest bird in flight. I’ve seen ‘em duck and weave around shot. They are a fun and tasty hunt!

[PhishLI]

8 hours ago, cyclops2 said:

Some humans love to do armchair verbal combat.  Over high ground ethics.

Uh...Yeah, and some humans can't resist dropping a steaming doody on sincere internet threads. 

[FishinBuck07]

Hunting to a lot of folks is about more than just killing, me included.  I don't hunt anymore but did up until about 10 years ago.  It was something my father and I had in common, so it gave us a special time together.  He passed when I was young so I lost interest in it because he was no longer here to go with me.  It was always time spent in the beautiful outdoors with people that you loved, and people that loved the outdoors and the animals as much as you.  My dad owned his own business, so sometimes it got rough in the house for food, especially with us 5 kids who ate like hogs.  So we used it to put meat in the freezer to feed the family.  It always tasted better anyways to me.  We hunted for everything, birds, small game and deer, to me it was my time with my father.  The other kids had their thing with dad, hunting and fishing were mine.  As long as you do it ethically and don't waste there is absolutely nothing wrong with hunting.  Just my opinion here so take it for what it is worth!

[Deleted account]

Has anyone checked with deer to see if they mind a bullet through the lungs? Maybe they are into it...

[GaryH]

8 hours ago, cyclops2 said:

I am odd with killing animals. For food use only.  

If that’s the case then we all better stop wearing boots, shoes, clothing etc. 

[Mobasser]

I spent a lot of time around a farm as a kid. Was exposed to hunting, butchering anmals etc from an early age. I can understand if someone has never been around these things, it's hard to accept them.                          What I never understood is the guy who says he hates hunting will go to a restaurant and order a big steak. The cow that provided that steak went up a ramp, and was shocked to death, then, slid down a ramp for guys to cut him up.                          It sounds in humane, but it's business only. The best hunters I've known respect the game, fish, and all the outdoors.                     If your against hunting, you should do some research on poultry production plants, slaughter houses etc.

[Spankey]

20 minutes ago, BrianMDTX said:

Dove breast. Wrap in bacon. Cook on hot grill quickly. It’s so good!

 

My opinion: dumbest bird on ground (you could walk up and hit one with a rock); smartest bird in flight. I’ve seen ‘em duck and weave around shot. They are a fun and tasty hunt!

I like that bacon ? wrap idea on the doves. I’ve done deer tenderloin in a bacon wrap much like doing a piece of filet Minions (spelling not right but you know what I mean). 
 

Early next fall I’m gonna work on getting me some and try the bacon wrap on the charcoal grill. 

[scaleface]

I grew up in a hunting family . So I took it up . Fishing became my main sport and I hunt just occasionally now . Small game rabbits and squirrels . I like to eat them . Most of my friends hunt deer  so I'll have someone get me a doe . They want to hunt I want the venison , its a win win .

[Catt]

18 minutes ago, Deleted account said:

Has anyone checked with deer to see if they mind a bullet through the lungs? Maybe they are into it...

 

Has anyone checked with bass to see if they mind a hook through their head?

 

Maybe they are into it...

[Gera]

While I have no issues with most types animals, as other people stated I do have issues with exotic animal killing and even more species that are endangered. How someone say that they love nature and kill a part of it that may disappear forever just for a picture. I just don't get it. 

 

I come from a family of hunters and it did too when I was younger, now I would just join them and take a sports camera and a huge telephoto lens, same shot and you get to pull a trigger and no animals are harm. I only shoot at hogs since they are invasive species and they taste delicious. (I don't like most game meats) 

 

[GANGGREEN]

I used to be as avid a hunter as there was.  I harvested an archery buck each fall and typically a couple of doe for the freezer, harvested spring and fall turkey annually and often did so in several states.  I had beagles (and now have bird dogs) so I hunted rabbits.  I've also hunted squirrel, duck, hogs and darn near everything else that was available to me.

 

In addition to being an avid hunter, I was also a state game warden for 32 years, so in addition to my legal, in-season harvests, I also had the unenviable job of dispatching countless (truly countless) injured and orphaned wildlife.  Because of getting my fill of hunting and being obligated to dispatch thousands of other animals over the years, I've mostly lost my love and desire to hunt.

 

I still hunt game birds over my pointing dog(s), still hunt spring gobbler occasionally and still harvest the odd deer for the freezer with a flintlock rifle, but that's it.   I truly don't like killing animals anymore, even though I very much enjoy eating wild game (and fish), so I don't/won't do it much.  That said, as long as I'm physically able, I can't imagine ever completely giving up hunting, I'll always do at least a little bit and will continue to enjoy wild game on the table.

[gim]

A lot of hunters are committed to conservation of habitat and preserving the population of the target they are after too.  There are a number of conservation groups like Ducks Unlimited, Pheasants Forever, NWTF, Rocky Mtn Elk Foundation, etc that have a goal to maintain and add habitat for wild game and birds.  Many of the donating members are...you guessed it, hunters!

 

I've honestly never been real big on the taste of wild game even though I harvest a lot of deer, turkeys, pheasants, and waterfowl.  But I never just toss them in the ditch either.  I find a home for them so they aren't wasted.  While wild game is certainly much leaner and healthier for you than processed meat, it definitely has a tougher, gamier taste to it.

[Spankey]

All I can say is my belly is growling right now. 
 

I wish there was a deer neck roast on the stove in the pressure cooker and a bag of some nice soft spun hamburger rolls and a jar of Blues Hog bar-b-que sauce waiting for me when I get home. 
 

There isn’t but I can taste it. 

[gim]

3 minutes ago, Gera said:

as other people stated I do have issues with exotic animal killing and even more species that are endangered. How someone say that they love nature and kill a part of it that may disappear forever just for a picture. I just don't get it.

 

Technically that's not considered hunting anymore.  That's called poaching.  And therefore illegal.

29 minutes ago, GaryH said:

clothing etc

Please Gary, keep your pants on.

[Gera]

3 minutes ago, gimruis said:

 

Technically that's not considered hunting anymore.  That's called poaching.  And therefore illegal.

 

There are legal ways to do it, you see pictures of people all the time when they pay a fortune to hunt an elephant. Its illegal to bring the thropy to the US and still most of those hunters are from this country! 

[AManWearingAHat]

Meat in the chest freezer. That's it for me. I don't have any particular attraction towards trophy hunting.

[gim]

10 hours ago, K1500 said:

Fishing undeniably injures and kills a proportion of the fish you catch, even with 100% C&R. It’s just the way it is.
 

A fisherman isn’t in position to judge someone who hunts and eats their quarry while ‘playing’ fish for fun knowing full well that some will swim off and die, all in the name of ‘fun’. Nothing wrong with either sport (I participate in both) but fishing doesn’t hold the moral high ground by any stretch. 

 

I do think that even C & R fishing does result in a measurable percentage of fish mortality, especially in the warmer summer months.  The use of live bait also exponentially increases mortality.  The style of fishing can also play a role, as in passive or aggressive styles of fishing.

 

98% of what I catch is released and I am confident that almost all of those fish survive.  I rarely use live bait.  I catch the fish relatively quickly, handle it properly, remove the hooks, and get it back into the water in a short period of time.  I realize that not everyone is capable or can do this so mortality varies from one angler to the next.  Heck, some members on here even post videos of their catch and subsequent release of large bass, and I'm positive most of those fish survive too.

 

None of the deer, turkeys, or pheasants I shoot every year survive.  So the comparison between C & R fishing and hunting is very measurable in my book.  I'm not saying that one is morally higher or lower, I just want to clarify that there is a difference in how I do it, execute it, and the results bear that out.

[LrgmouthShad]

25 minutes ago, Catt said:

 

Has anyone checked with bass to see if they mind a hook through their head?

 

Maybe they are into it...

I mean… they keep coming back to bite the same ol worm that caught em yesterday. 
 

I don’t judge

[A-Jay]

A-Jay

[GANGGREEN]

18 minutes ago, Gera said:

 

There are legal ways to do it, you see pictures of people all the time when they pay a fortune to hunt an elephant. Its illegal to bring the thropy to the US and still most of those hunters are from this country! 

 

I'm not really that vested in this argument and admit that I'm not even curious enough to do the research now, but my suspicion is that Elephants are doing fine, populations are stable or growing and the harvest of SOME of these animals is perfectly acceptable from a conservation standpoint throughout much of their range.

 

Just saying.

[newriverfisherman1953]

10 hours ago, cyclops2 said:

YES it does.  Do not make equal a HEART SHOT   with NO INTENT TO KILL.

I’m proud of every heart shot I’ve ever made. It means I did my job and did it very well. There is a growing group of people who love this kind of discussion among sportsmen. I don’t see the need to seek a moral high ground over another outdoorsman. I assume all of us on here enjoy the outdoors in more than one way. Fishing, hunting, camping, hiking, photography…it’s all good. Enjoy it and share it with family and friends. 

[gim]

3 minutes ago, GANGGREEN said:

but my suspicion is that Elephants are doing fine, populations are stable or growing and the harvest of SOME of these animals is perfectly acceptable from a conservation standpoint throughout much of their range.

That's incorrect.  There is no legal hunting season on wild African elephants.  The primary problem is poaching them for their ivory tusks.

 

The majority of their population now resides inside national parks where they are regularly monitored by anti-poaching groups.

[Tennessee Boy]

My grandfather taught me about nature on his farm and by introducing me to hunting and fishing.  He would put up a calf to feed for slaughter.  The calf would become my pet.  I would also be there when the calf was slaughtered.  A lot of people don't understand how I could sit on the fence and pet an animal and then enjoy eating it.  It's because I learned to understand the circle of life.  There are more deer in this country now than when the pilgrims landed.  Why?  Because we killed all of the apex predators.  Hunters are the only apex predators we have in most areas.  We have a horrible problem with over population of deer around here.  Cronic wasting disease and skinny deceased deer are the result.  Having 40 deer in your back yard is not natural,  it's cruel.   It's been years since I've hunted.  I'm just too busy working and fishing.  I apologize for not doing my part to help with the deer problem and appreciate those of you that are doing your part.

[Gera]

1 minute ago, GANGGREEN said:

Elephants are doing fine, populations are stable or growing and the harvest of SOME of these animals is perfectly acceptable from a conservation standpoint throughout much of their range.

 

They're really not doing fine, things are getting better yes. however poaching has their numbers still declining. 

I do understand a deer hunter, there a serious aspect of being in a situation where they can take that shot. its not easy.. but killing an elephant?? someone points you to the one and you take the shot. there is nothing really in it, the only skill you need is to have the money! and its not only them or endangered animals. Why would someone kill a giraffe?? 

[GANGGREEN]

Like I said, I don't really have much energy for this discussion or argument, but my point was that they're fine IN CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THEIR range and as such, there's likely nothing wrong with hunting them if there needs to be some balance established.  I wasn't referring to Elephant populations globally.  It's not for me to decide why anyone else would want to do it (I personally have ZERO interest in hunting any African big game), as long as it's legal and sustainable.   It should also be noted that big game hunting does do a LOT for local villages in these areas, which is not to say that game populations should suffer so that they can make money.