There's this question I have been wanting to ask for a long time

[CrashVector]

16 minutes ago, newapti5 said:

Thanks guys! A lot of great food for thought. Also intriguing to see so many replies in this V day night. That's saying something. 

 

 

 

Fiance and I don't do v day.  She says it's "cheap and contrived to force men to spend money".

 

Besides, she gets flowers on the regular every few weeks bc she deserves it on more than just one day per year.

[K1500]

Fishing undeniably injures and kills a proportion of the fish you catch, even with 100% C&R. It’s just the way it is.
 

A fisherman isn’t in position to judge someone who hunts and eats their quarry while ‘playing’ fish for fun knowing full well that some will swim off and die, all in the name of ‘fun’. Nothing wrong with either sport (I participate in both) but fishing doesn’t hold the moral high ground by any stretch. 

[cyclops2]

YES it does.  Do not make equal a HEART SHOT   with NO INTENT TO KILL.

[WRB]

What does Valentine’s Day have anything to do with this topic? Gender doesn't play a role in who is a hunter or gather.

If you think a hunter is male you are wrong.

when I wore a younger mans cloths game hunting and fishing were my hobbies. To duck hunt on federal refuges we had to be 16 to get a hunting licenses, didn’t need a fishing license until age 16. To kill effectively you need to practice shooting to be a skilled hunter. To get a hunting licenses you had to pass a safety course and prove your shooting skills. Fishing was a simple as paying for a license, no knowledge or skill needed.

I started waterfowl and upland game bird hunting at age 12, my parents rule. Didn’t big game like deer and elk until 16 and always with my brothers. We were taught if you killed it you ate it.

I prefer game meat over domestic raised meat but no longer hunt so game meat isn’t an option very often.

Trophy hunting was always a goal for deer or elk. Deer had to be mature bucks where I hunted, doe’s and Spike or small fork horns were illegal to shot. 

Tom

 

[newapti5]

30 minutes ago, CrashVector said:

 

Fiance and I don't do v day.  She says it's "cheap and contrived to force men to spend money".

 

Besides, she gets flowers on the regular every few weeks bc she deserves it on more than just one day per year.

 

You need to quit showing off. 

 

23 minutes ago, K1500 said:

A fisherman isn’t in position to judge someone who hunts and eats their quarry while ‘playing’ fish for fun knowing full well that some will swim off and die, all in the name of ‘fun’.

 

No judging, just plain curiosity. If it offended anyone, my apologies.  You do make a good point though: Does intention matter when the results are similar?

 

14 minutes ago, WRB said:

What does Valentine’s Day have anything to do with this topic? Gender doesn't play a role in who is a hunter or gather.

 

Not my intention to bring gender into this. Again, if it did, my apologies for digression.

 

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35 minutes ago, CrashVector said:

She says it's "cheap and contrived to force men to spend money". one day per year.

Oh you poor thing, let me see if I can find my old estrogen to english translator.

"She doesn't want you to do the dishes, she wants you to want to do the dishes"...

[JustJames]

3 hours ago, newapti5 said:

It may be a silly question, but what is the fun in hunting? I know a lot of anglers are avid hunters as well, and I am not vegetarian or afraid of killing animals. But I just don't see the joy in killing any living things. A lot of my Asian friends love to eat all sort of fish,  and I like eating salmon, too. But the killing part is the least fun part for me. Is it a culture thing? 

I must be white in Asian body. I don’t like killing life. I don’t want to kill anything bigger than ants.

If you are talking only fish, I would understand since fish is main free and easy to find food source just like those livestock. I guess the culture teach them that way. I’m a little bit different though, since I grew up in city and I didn’t need to kill for food. I practice catch and release since I was teenager if the fish is not my target species. On the other hand my wife’s family grew up eating all kind of fish, they would keep anything they catch and they will eat every parts of the fish (no wasting food). The First time I fish with my wife’s dad, I swear I’m not fishing him no more. ???

[newapti5]

9 minutes ago, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

On the other hand my wife’s family grew up eating all kind of fish, they would keep anything they catch and they will eat every parts of the fish (no wasting food). The First time I fish with my wife’s dad, I swear I’m not fishing him no more. ???

 

Tell me about it. I am Asian, too, and my Asian friends always ask me twice to confirm this: You like fishing but not eating fish?

[PhishLI]

3 hours ago, newapti5 said:

It may be a silly question, but what is the fun in hunting?

I'm not sure fun has anything to do with it. That's just window dressing. The better question may be why do people hunt in a modern society, especially if they don't need to because of industrial meat processing. Ten different people might offer ten different answers based on their point of view. Some of those answers might be flowery, and some might be perceived as somewhat callous, and everything in between. With the exception of a tiny minority of sadistic nutjobs who actually enjoy killing, most people truly have no idea why they do it, even if they think they do. Some people don't question their nature, and others struggle with it.

 

The answer is simple though. Just like the ability to speak, it's in the program. That's all. That's it. The program is ancient, powerful, and it's in every one of us. It hovers right below vanity and virtue. Even if it hurts your heart to think of killing an animal yourself, you would in a second if the lights went out for long enough. After a while, or possibly right away, you might even get a rush out of it. Pure adrenaline. Pleasure. None of this makes a person either bad or good, it's just who we all truly are, even if you can't imagine it.

[cyclops2]

Some humans love to do armchair verbal combat.  Over high ground ethics. Fine on the web.

 

 

[K1500]

No offense taken. There are a number of incredibly reflective essays and books on hunting and why people feel the need to hunt. It is a deep spiritual connection with nature, the web of life, the DNA sharpened by years of our ancestors relying on hunting to survive. It’s not much different than fishing in that regard. 

[cyclops2]

I am odd with killing animals. For food use only.  

[K1500]

1 hour ago, cyclops2 said:

YES it does.  Do not make equal a HEART SHOT   with NO INTENT TO KILL.

O.K. I won’t, because they aren’t equal. I believe a case could be made that C&R fishing is ‘worse’ than hunting.
 

With C&R fishing you are purposefully playing with an animal purely for hedonistic joy. While you revel in the joy of catching a fish, the fish fights for its very life at the end of your line. In the process you injure and kill some of them, all for 100% pure sport. Tournaments are even worse, as you bounce the fish around all day in a live well just to ‘beat the other guy’, thus commodifying wildlife. 
 

Hunting is conducted with the goal of cleanly and quickly killing an animal that will be consumed. Even so-called trophy hunters typically consume or employ the useable portions of their harvests. There are usually no hunting tournaments where the sole goal is to ‘beat the other guy’ at the animals expense. 

 

I have absolutely nothing against fishing or hunting. I participate in both frequently and with great joy. That being said, I am not deluded by the idea that C&R fishing is somehow morally or ethically superior to catch and keep fishing or hunting. They all rely on exerting human dominion over a wild animal. 

[Basser2021]

I strictly hunt and trap for food only

I'm a big fan of racoon, groundhog, deer, turkey, and even snapping turtle!

[GetFishorDieTryin]

In my case harvesting birds was never a true sign of success, it's actually a very small part of the process.  What really matters is the experience of the pursuit.  

It's a really cool experience to be able to get a few dozen mallards or geese to cup up and land right in your face.  

The scenery can be really cool as well.  Its neat to see a vast abyss of darkness slowly revealed inch by inch by the rising sun.  All the while watching all of the animals go about their lives completely oblivious to your presence.

[GreenPig]

Uncontrolled breeding allows overpopulation & starvation. So I do my part. Not mention deer, hogs, & squirrels in the freezer free up MB Vision 110 $'s.

[N Florida Mike]

I have fished and hunted most of my life. Culture initially drew me into it. It’s what us boys did in our area. There’s a lot of reasons why I started hunting. The connection to culture, nature, friends , The Creator,  family, the planning, the scouting , being in the woods, negotiating the sometimes muddy or sandy roads to get where you need to go, the tracks, the weapons, the excitement when you spot the prey, the  satisfaction of the kill, knowing you just put meat on the table for your family. And for many, the  sharing of the experience with others after the hunt. 

That being said, hunting is fading for me the older I get. Development in our area has taken nearly all my old hunting spots. I have to go further and further to do it. I don’t have much time or money left for it either. Most of my hunting friends I had are long gone. When the suburbs crept up, they left. 

I would love to get out next year. I still do planning in the hopes I can go. I dont want it to die out . I have no problem with anyone killing and eating it as long as it’s legal. If I had to choose between fishing or hunting Id have to choose fishing, it’s so easy for me to fish and it was always my first love in the outdoor pursuits.

[TnRiver46]

People hunt for food. Then they realize it’s enjoyable, so they spend their free time acquiring food in a fun way.  It’s pretty ironic to buy meat at a store but say you don’t like killing things. So basically you just hire it done, don’t look down on the people willing to do the dirty work 

[Jaderose]

I hunted when I was a kid in Southern Illinois.  Did a lot of bird hunting with dogs (dove, pheasant, quail) and loved it.  Would do it again if I ever had the chance.  Tried deer hunting at around age 12.  Shot a deer (poorly) and it took off.  Followed the blood trail as long as I could and never did find it.  That did not have a good effect on me as a kid.  Deer hunters here in the Midwest are vital and God bless all of them for being a better shot than I am.  Without man as the apex, deer populations would explode like giant rats.  

[T-Billy]

I'm a lifelong member of PETA. People Eating Tasty Animals. As far as trophy hunting... There's some great memories in those heads hanging on my walls. How others feel about it is irrelevant to me.

[Spankey]

Don’t really see your point in bringing this up. You can sort of see salmon fishing though. It’s alright to you to catch a 15# salmon throw it on a boat deck and watch it suffocate to death. But you can’t see pheasant hunting or any bird hunting when these animals are shot the death of these animals is in milliseconds. I could make you some oven baked dove and you’d be licking your chops for me to go shoot you more. 

[Catt]

1 hour ago, TnRiver46 said:

It’s pretty ironic to buy meat at a store but say you don’t like killing things.

 

Some fail to understand beef, pork, & chicken were once wild like deer, elk, ducks, or turkeys.

 

Man domesticated them because like many here they didn't enjoy hunting so they penned up eliminating the hunting portion. 

[T-Billy]

Doesn't get more organic than wild game. High protein, low fat, no roids, no antibiotics.... Lots of different great flavors out there, just gotta go get'em. 

[BrianMDTX]

10 hours ago, cyclops2 said:

Call me as your hunting buddy when they sell Catch & Release bullets at real distances.

I do recall a few guns that took a picture of the animal when the trigger was pulled.........

No bullet was fired.

Why I feed carp in isolated areas.  Soft wire hooks & no barbs. Best I can do.  I time my self on the first pick up.  

My real or great stepfather never taught me to fish. 

If memory serves me, around 2006 there was a proposal from a Daniel Farbmen, self-proclaimed CEO and Commissioner of the W.H.A. (World Hunting Association) to have a professional hunting tour where “pros” shot deer with tranquilizer darts, scored the racks and released them. Ever watch it?

 

No, because the hue and cry from his supposed target audience found it abhorrent and such a ruckus was raised, the dart concept was dropped in favor of killing the quarry. And as far as know, after every supposed sponsor backed out, the whole W.H.A. went down the crapper. Where it belonged in the first place. 

10 hours ago, cyclops2 said:

 

10 hours ago, cyclops2 said:

 

Edited February 15, 2022 by BrianMDTX
Triple post!

[Spankey]

Dove can be made a million ways I guess. 
 

But an Easy, simple, tasty way for them.  Dress out the doves and pop out the breast meat. Only real meat on them. Wash them real good and marinade them in the fridge for a few hours. Remove them from fridge, break out a bag of Shake & Bake for chicken, shake um down and do them up on a cookie sheet. 
 

Better than any Chicken Mc Nugget or King Nugget or there. Not a bunch of pressed shaped meat from floor scraps. 
 

Wild Turkey, season it up good and try to make  it in a brown and serve bag. Just a suggestion.