Flipping and pitching rod and reel setup.

[casts_by_fly]

1 hour ago, rtwvumtneer6 said:

Another option in the line is the 7'4 H/F Heavy Cover Jig rod.  It's a very versatile rod.  I've throw up to an ounce Texas rig on it without worry.  I've frogged with it.  Drag a football jig.  Etc.  Enough tip to be accurate and enough backbone for moderate cover.  They come in around $100.

 

I throw the Lowrider model, but did own the BuCoo SR.  I don't own a big flipping stick (7'11" XH) because it would rarely get picked up on my local water, but I have a few rods in the 7'3-7'4 H/F that see a lot of use.  

 

I like a 200 size reel in a 7 speed.  Curado K would be above your budget, but it's a solid reel.  

 

I don't know the 7'4" HC rod ( I considered it) but I recently picked up an Amistad 7'3" in the expert line as a 'light' punching rod and frog rod.  We get lily pad and grassed in here quite bad in the summer (think Presque Isle lagoon or the back coves at Arthur) and I needed just a little more rod than I had.  Having felt this rod, I think it will also be a great 3/4oz+ spinnerbait rod and even light duty musky rod (we have a couple lakes with a ton of them).  But the expert is a bit over budget and I don't know the Bucoo Amistad to recommend it.  The 6'10" pitchin stick is a great all around bass rod.

[dodgeguy]

2 hours ago, WRB said:

Look at the Flea Market forum, RichF has a Shimano Castaic flipping reel in box for $80, perfect for your application.

Tom

Good reel. I had one for years.

[KP Duty]

Regardless of your choice, I'd practice pitchin' in your backyard.  When I was a kid, I stood on a milk crate and pitched to targets I had set up at different distances.

[BeardedNbassing]

5 hours ago, WRB said:

Look at the Flea Market forum, RichF has a Shimano Castaic flipping reel in box for $80, perfect for your application.

Tom

thanks, I'll check it out.

[rtwvumtneer6]

3 hours ago, casts_by_fly said:

Amistad 7'3" in the expert line

The Amistad is a staple... It's one power up (what Falcon calls a 7 or HH) compared to the Head Turner and HC Jig (6 Power or H).  That model should be available in most of the lines and price points they offer.  

 

My 7'4 Lowrider is in Florida right now waiting on me... I won't be punching mats with it, but its going to get a workout.  Looking forward to see how it performs. 

[BeardedNbassing]

4 hours ago, RDB said:

The technique of pitching and the need for a pitching rod are 2 different things.  Pitching is just a delivery technique, much like skipping or a simple roll cast.  You can pitch with pretty much any rod.  I may use all 3 techniques in a 10 cast sequence.

From what I understand you set up your reel for pitching a specific way and I don't want to change settings back and forth as I present my bait. My idea is to have one setup for the application I like to throw. I have a worm/plastic setup, a jig setup, jerk/crank setup, etc... In my mind it makes it easier, maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm wasting money lol.

[crypt]

13 hours ago, Catt said:

 

 

 

Daiwa Procyon Casting Rods

7' Medium Heavy X-Fast 

$79.99

 

Lew's LFS 

SS1SHA 7.5:1

$99.99

 

this would be a great setup....good call Catt....

[BeardedNbassing]

I appreciate it gentlemen! you guys are a wealth of knowledge. 

[RDB]

2 hours ago, BeardedNbassing said:

From what I understand you set up your reel for pitching a specific way and I don't want to change settings back and forth as I present my bait. My idea is to have one setup for the application I like to throw. I have a worm/plastic setup, a jig setup, jerk/crank setup, etc... In my mind it makes it easier, maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm wasting money lol.

Your call…not trying to talk you into or out of anything.  Bottom line is if you have your baitcaster set properly, there is no need to change settings to go from casting to pitching unless you can’t cast without heavy brakes.  If that’s the case, you need to practice your casting.  Most everyone that is decent at pitching can pick up a rod and both cast and pitch without making setting changes.  It’s about the motion…pitching is just a precision underhanded cast.

 

Edit:  You need to think of rods relative to the type of bait and cover you are fishing…not pitching v. roll casting v. overhead casting.  If you want a bottom contact rod that you can pitch in heavy cover, you probably want a 5 or even 6 power.  In less heavy/more open water, you could use a 4 or maybe a 3 power.  Rods will also have lure ratings that you need to consider which will also impact the rod’s performance.  The term flipping/pitching rod is just shorthand for a rod typically used in heavier cover with heavier line (often braid).  As far as reels, you can pitch with a $99 Lew’s or a $700 Steez.

[WRB]

Watch Gary Klein’s video on Flipping/Pitching.

The Castiac reel is a one handed reel to disengage and engage the spool. You normally use one hand to hold line and release it while holding the rod with thumb on the spool release bar without the need to turn the reel handle. It’s simple push the release bar after casting and the reel is engage.

Length of rod for flipping needs to longer and the longer rod is advantage pitching. If you are simply underhand or roll casting then a shorter rod is easier.

Terms are important but it seems everyone makes up their own definition.

Tom

[RDB]

33 minutes ago, WRB said:

Terms are important but it seems everyone makes up their own definition.

Wow dude…who pizzed in your Wheaties.
 

33 minutes ago, WRB said:

Arch Gary Klein’s video on Flipping/Pitching.

The Castiac reel is a one handed reel to disengage and engage the spool. You normally use one hand to hold line and release it while holding the rod with thumb on the spool release bar without the need to turn the reel handle. It’s simple push the release bar after casting and the reel is engage.

If you are saying that you need some special one handed disengaging and engaging reel for flipping, I don’t know what to tell you.  99.99999% of pro’s use regular reels to pitch/flip (including Gary Klein).  If there was ever a blatant marketing ploy, needing a special pitching reel is at the top of the list.  There are only a handful of those types of reels on the market and the acceptance has been low.  Andy Montgomery marketed one for Diawa and he doesn’t use it either.

 

37 minutes ago, WRB said:

Length of rod for flipping needs to longer and the longer rod is advantage pitching. If you are simply underhand or roll casting then a shorter rod is easier.

Also not needed and the trend is moving away from the super long rods for regular pitching.  If someone wants to use a 7’10” rod or 7’2”, it’s personal preference.  $100 says I can drop more jigs in a coffee can with my 7’2” that most.  I’ve tried both and am much more comfortable with slightly over 7’.  To say you need specialized pitching gear is just wrong.

 

40 minutes ago, WRB said:

Terms are important but it seems everyone makes up their own definition.

Don’t know what to say about this one.  I guess thanks for your judgement.  The vast majority of rods that people use for flipping and pitching do not have a specific designation for that technique.  There actually aren’t many rods that do.  My initial inclination was to bite back but instead I’ll just say congrats on your big bass catches and hopefully I can gain some wisdom from some of your posts.

[WRB]

Terminology is how we communicate, words matter.

Flipping was popularized by Dee Thomas, he didn’t use a reel until forced to by B.A.S.S. The flip cast is different from a pitch cast in the fact line comes off the reel when pitching, otherwise it’s the same technique. Pitching was perfected by Dave Gliebe, also a Delta angler.

Gary Klein learned to flip from his mentor Dee Thomas and developed the flipping switch reel?

Agree the flip/pitch cast today has evolved into the same cast, very few anglers today are flipping.

Next time a PM me when you are ticked off.

Tom 

[PressuredFishing]

10 minutes ago, WRB said:

didn’t use a reel until forced to by B.A.S.S.

Did he just tie the line to a long rod like crappie fishing flipping? 

[jbsoonerfan]

I would say that at least half the people that use the term flipping have no idea what it actually means. I know I didn't for a long time, I thought they were the same thing till I finally learned the difference. 

 

However, it is kind of like the term Texas Rig. When people say "I was fishing a 7" power worm texas rigged weightless" I don't like it, but it is what it is.

[RDB]

25 minutes ago, WRB said:

Terminology is how we communicate, words matter.

Flipping was popularized by Dee Thomas, he didn’t use a reel until forced to by B.A.S.S. The flip cast is different from a pitch cast in the fact line comes off the reel when pitching, otherwise it’s the same technique. Pitching was perfected by Dave Gliebe, also a Delta angler.

Gary Klein learned to flip from his mentor Dee Thomas and developed the flipping switch reel?

Agree the flip/pitch cast today has evolved into the same cast, very few anglers today are flipping.

Next time a PM me when you are ticked off.

Tom 

No desire to pm you and I don’t need drawn out history lesson.  I am well aware of the difference between the two and at no point was I suggesting they are one in the same, you made that interpretation.  The OP asked about pitching and flipping and when I say pitch/flip, I’m saying you don’t need a specialized rod or reel for either technique.  And your right, terminology does matter and applies to your suggestion that I am making something up.  I don’t appreciate it and 50 15+ pound bass doesn’t mean your always the smartest guy in the room.  And you’re right, the longer this goes, the more pizzed I get.

 

Since you like dissertations, the history of the term making something up comes from the Greek phrase Maka Som Lata.  In ancient times a young Greek philosopher met a wine merchant and…

 

Never mind, I’m making that up.

[Finessegenics]

[WRB]

1 hour ago, PressuredFishing said:

Did he just tie the line to a long rod like crappie fishing flipping? 

No, that is called jigger pole in the east and tulge dipping in west. Dee used 12’ to 14’ hollow fiber glass rod with guides, no reel and pulled a length of line out from the last guide and flipped a jig into small cup size pockets on cover letting the line go in a controlled flip cast.

Dee is 83 now and still fishing Delta tournaments.

Tom

 

[PressuredFishing]

29 minutes ago, WRB said:

No, that is called jigger pole in the east and tulge dipping in west. Dee used 12’ to 14’ hollow fiber glass rod with guides, no reel and pulled a length of line out from the last guide and flipped a jig into small cup size pockets on cover letting the line go in a controlled flip cast.

Dee is 83 now and still fishing Delta tournaments.

Tom

 

Amazing piece of history, you are a library and wealth of historical information, love to learn about the west coast fisheries and the people who fished them before me.

[Catt]

23 hours ago, Catt said:

Daiwa Procyon Casting Rods

7' Medium Heavy X-Fast 

$79.99

 

Lew's LFS 

SS1SHA 7.5:1

$99.99

 

Y'all are over complicating a simple process!

 

Flipping-n-pitching DOES NOT  mean I'm fishing heavy cover, it simply means I'm to close to my target for an overhand cast.

 

A size "200" reel is not requirement, a "50-100" is more than adequate.

 

K.I.S.S. ?

[scaleface]

I pitch from a 14 foot jon boat all the time . Because I'm standing on the floor and not a raised deck   the gunwale is in the way . So I  shorten up my line  some and pitch a little bit differently { raise the elbow higher and to the side ]than I do when fishing from a raised deck . A 7 foot mh or h rod is sufficient .Make sure to use enough weight , to little weight makes it difficult .   .

[Mike L]

OP

As stated earlier there is no need to “change your settings back and forth” when flipping or pitching after you set it where you like for normal casting. 
 

When flipping, the reel is not engaged so it doesn’t matter what setting you have. 
 

When pitching, you control the line release with your thumb after you disengage. 
If you have a centrifugal brake system and you have it turned way up just loosen the cast control knob a little. 
 

That’s all

 

 

 

 

Mike

[BeardedNbassing]

9 hours ago, scaleface said:

I pitch from a 14 foot jon boat all the time . Because I'm standing on the floor and not a raised deck   the gunwale is in the way . So I  shorten up my line  some and pitch a little bit differently { raise the elbow higher and to the side ]than I do when fishing from a raised deck . A 7 foot mh or h rod is sufficient .Make sure to use enough weight , to little weight makes it difficult .   .

thanks!

7 hours ago, Mike L said:

OP

As stated earlier there is no need to “change your settings back and forth” when flipping or pitching after you set it where you like for normal casting. 
 

When flipping, the reel is not engaged so it doesn’t matter what setting you have. 
 

When pitching, you control the line release with your thumb after you disengage. 
If you have a centrifugal brake system and you have it turned way up just loosen the cast control knob a little. 
 

That’s all

 

 

 

 

Mike

cool. I think that was my major issue. thank you.