Super User T-Billy Posted January 29, 2022 Super User Posted January 29, 2022 Low and fast seems the way to fly with BFS in my experience. Sidearm and underhand roll casts work well, even into the wind. Trying to bomb 'em out there overhand hasn't worked well for me. 1 Quote
cyclops2 Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 I found standing tall & using a powerful overhead cast allows the wind more time to blow the lure way off target. You can see the roll casts going to or missing the target. I always try to have wind almost always behind me. 1 Quote
WC53 Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 The Curado bfs is all magnets and does okay on 1/16 with the right rod, those little suckers just don’t go very far with any size to the bait (low density), toss nice and easy and it is a great reel. 1/8 to 3/16. 8 and 10 832 is a thumbs up. I haven’t been brave enough to try 6. UPS just dropped off some of the Buggs bonefish jigs on a 1/16 head. If it wasn’t 35 gusts today.  You will enjoy it, I even like the clicker..  1 Quote
warefisher Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 56 minutes ago, WC53 said: The Curado bfs …….  You will enjoy it, I even like the clicker..  I want to enjoy one!  I’ve been watching the sites and waiting for some inventory to show up. Hopefully before Spring. 1 Quote
redmeansdistortion Posted January 29, 2022 Posted January 29, 2022 4 hours ago, PressuredFishing said: Finally bfs is starting to turn into an elitist sport like fly fishing, this roots back to all the people that think spinning combos are fairy wonds or incompetent fisherman. At the end of the day I use bfs for bass, but using it for trout/crappie/whatever even with the highest end combo is simply rooted in the "superiority of BC reels" or wanting to look cool out on the water, even if they backlash every 2-3 casts trying to toss a trout magnet on their 600$ combo at a stocked trout pond. I primarily fish trout on BFS, not stockers either but wild trout. It definitely has its place in the overgrown creeks of the eastern woodlands typical of where I live. Many of those creeks are very similar to the mountain streams the Japanese fish. A 5' or shorter rod paired with a BFS reel is laser accurate and easy to maneuver in those types of creeks. I fish in areas where fly rods and longer spinning rods can prove to be a challenge due to the abundance of overhanging trees and dense root wads and brush lined banks. I'm not the kind of guy that's out there throwing Trout Magnets, I can't think of anybody that regularly throws those on BFS gear. Every one of them I see are people on YouTube showing the capabilities of their rigs. I primarily fish minnow style baits in the 3g to 7g range.   Here's one of my favorites to fish, it consistently produces master angler brown trout (24"+). This particular stretch is only about 15' across. Further upstream it's so overgrown that fly fishermen can only strip line and let their offering drift in the current. It's very hard to get a back cast on that creek. This is the type of environment where BFS shines.  5 Quote
Super User bulldog1935 Posted January 30, 2022 Super User Posted January 30, 2022 Fishing is something that brings us together on this forum - not divides us. So-and-so thinks. That's always a case of one finger pointing out and 3 pointing back in. You don't know how anyone else thinks, and it might be better just keep some of your own winter thoughts to yourself.  fwiw, BFS = Bait Finesse System (the reel modifications) began in Japan for mountain stream fishing for wild native trout. Most of the packaged BFS reels, this is what they were designed for. People, including the Japanese, have since applied them to bass fishing, and even more recently to salt fishing. The gear people enjoy fishing is just the gear people enjoy fishing. 7 Quote
RB 77 Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 5 hours ago, LCG said: Since becoming more proficient with baitcasters, I keep debating selling my Stradic FL to fund the purchase of a Curado BFS reel. Keep going back and forth on the issue.  The control and mechanics appeal to me, but skipping and vertical fall seems like it would be easier with spinning reels. Line capacity can be an issue, although it has never been for me so far.  I have both the SLX MGL and Curado 70 MGL. The lightest thing I throw is a weightless trickworm and a 1/16oz Ned rig (3/16oz total). These reels can do it, but I need a proper rod to really help further.  Bait monkey at my door...   If I were you, I would NOT sell that Stradic. Out of the several setups I have, only two are spinning reels and they both just happen to be Stradics and they are great reels. What I'm getting at though is that spinning setups are specific tools that I'm very happy to have when I need them even though I own way more bait casters. Even though I can (and have) drop shot with a bait caster, I would never want to when I can use a spinning reel instead. For that technique I feel they are superior in every way even tough I prefer BC for 99% of other techniques. I would just save and add the BFS later to the arsenal. 2 Quote
Cranks4fun Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022   The BFS craze has caught my attention. I use Curados and Tatulas for most of my baitcasting but my son bought me a KastKing Zephyr BFS for Christmas. He wanted me to have one because he has one and he wanted us to try together. I have only used it in the backyard so far. I was able to cast the smallest rebel craw crankbait (called a "Tinee Craw" I think) . I was able to cast it over 20 yards but I cannot even get it out 5 yards with a Tatula or Curado. I have a Tatula SV too! Anyway, I will try it on the white bass run this spring to see if it is going to be a staple on the boat and to test it's durability.  Baitcasting technology is slowly catching up it seems. I love ultralight spinning gear and have about 8 UL spinning rods. My biggest bass on UL spinning gear to date is a 4 pounder using 4 lb.mono. I am not sure that BFS reels are able to match UL spinning casting distances yet. Then again, I have not tried a Daiwa Alphas BFS though. I will stay with UL spinning until I see a BFS reel cast the same distances that I can cast with my UL Spinning reels.   I do like the idea of throwing inline spinners (awesome creek baits) without fighting line twist after an hour or so. BFS may be the ticket for that. I have tried swivels and braid and all the other tricks but I still get line twist after a while. I have had some killer days with inline spinners but they almost always end with twisted line that has to be worked out dragging the line behind the boat. Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 As enjoyable and effective bait casting is, spinning tackle still has its place. 1 1 Quote
cyclops2 Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 red  A harmless looking 15' wide stream is what almost killed me by bending me backwards down stream. Death wears many disguises. 1 Quote
PressuredFishing Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 2 hours ago, redmeansdistortion said: definitely has its place in the overgrown creeks of the eastern woodlands  Yes I have done this too, and it's very fun. It's a long story on why I hate bfs and is rather complicated to explain but it attracts a small percentage people that can be quite snobby out on the water, similar to fly fishing and the people that harass you to handle the fish gentler or cast over your line. Yes both of these things have happened to me and far worse, but I live in California and with a population so big I have ran into these people quite a bit. Quote
LCG Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, PressuredFishing said:  Yes I have done this too, and it's very fun. It's a long story on why I hate bfs and is rather complicated to explain but it attracts a small percentage people that can be quite snobby out on the water, similar to fly fishing and the people that harass you to handle the fish gentler or cast over your line. Yes both of these things have happened to me and far worse, but I live in California and with a population so big I have ran into these people quite a bit. I will never understand that behaviour. Most of us here are advanced enthusiasts who like and appreciate certain level of quality gear, but why would someone look down on another angler for the gear they are using? I recall watching a guy out fish me by a ton while fishing for crappie and he was hand lining. I learned a valuable lesson that day. 1 Quote
cyclops2 Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 Trout Unlimited is exactly that. Belief that they OWN & PROTECT any designated stocked trout stream in N J. I had a Game Warden Check me out. AFTER he was called that a person was using a spinning rod in the stream. I was legal as the state declared the stream for both types with ONLY artificial lures. Elite bullies are plentiful. We had a few chuckles before he left. 1 Quote
PressuredFishing Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 1 minute ago, LCG said: I will never understand that behaviour. Most of us here are advanced enthusiasts who like and appreciate certain level of quality gear, but why would someone look down on another angler for the gear they are using? I recall watching a guy out fish me by a ton while fishing for crappie and he was hand lining. I learned a valuable lesson that day. I am not sure either, but I always just boil it down to pride. 2 minutes ago, cyclops2 said: Trout Unlimited is exactly that. Belief that they OWN & PROTECT any designated stocked trout stream in N J. I had a Game Warden Check me out. AFTER he was called that a person was using a spinning rod in the stream. I was legal as the state declared the stream for both types with ONLY artificial lures. Elite bullies are plentiful. We had a few chuckles before he left. This ^^^^ this same thing has happened to me on vacation, on that same trip there was an environmentalist lady with a Peta shirt and saw me fly fishing, and walked her dog in the water and stood right where my fly was as the dog chased the fish I was sight fishing... took everything I had not to say anything, as she smirked at me... Quote
cyclops2 Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 I am more down to her level.  " Hi stupid. " Quote
Super User JustJames Posted January 30, 2022 Super User Posted January 30, 2022 Uh another BFS thread gone BSF? 1 2 Quote
redmeansdistortion Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 1 hour ago, cyclops2 said: red  A harmless looking 15' wide stream is what almost killed me by bending me backwards down stream. Death wears many disguises. That creek is a challenging wade. I use a wading staff to make it easier but it's still tough going. Lots of fallen trees, and as a result, lots of deeper holes that crop up on you. You can be up to your knee on one side of a fallen tree and waist deep on the other. It's a pretty slow moving creek in general, it's usually between 20 and 30 CFS. Quote
cyclops2 Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 That foot stuck under a rock ended my entering any dark water, shaded, so I could not see the bottom clearly. I still have the flyrod and reel that saved my life. I can still see the distorted blue sky thru the surface water. Close calls are stored in our brains forever with me. 1 Quote
redmeansdistortion Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 15 minutes ago, cyclops2 said: That foot stuck under a rock ended my entering any dark water, shaded, so I could not see the bottom clearly. I still have the flyrod and reel that saved my life. I can still see the distorted blue sky thru the surface water. Close calls are stored in our brains forever with me. Some of the places I fish, the water is so clear it can be deceptively deep. This too is another tough wade, fallen cedar everywhere. The banks have that black mud that just sucks your feet in and doesn't give them back without a fight. Not long after I took that photo I found myself knee deep in that mud and it took a lot to get myself free, nearly twisted my knee in the process. I live for that kind of stuff though, the adventure aspect is addicting.  1 Quote
Super User NorcalBassin Posted January 30, 2022 Super User Posted January 30, 2022 11 hours ago, roadwarrior said:  SHIMANO CALCUTTA CONQUEST BFS HG (Right Handle) Megabass Destroyer P5 FOst-66X #6 Tatsu  I have fished this a few times, but I think I am going to sell the rig. This might be the perfect BFS, but it's not designed for Tennessee River smallmouth. If you are interested, let me know.   https://megabassusa.com/product/destroyer-p5-f0st-66x-siglett/ https://japantackle.com/casting-reels/shimano/round-shaped-casting-reels/reg0000212.html That looks like an awesome combo! I can go pretty light on my alde/842 combo with 6# sniper but that combo would make mine look like punching gear. Quote
GRiver Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 Ike8120 has the Kastking Zepher combo, he tuned it with new bearings and seems to be real happy with it. I’ve been leaning more that direction it less expensive. Quote
cyclops2 Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 Great post about bearings. Add in The total WEIGHT of ALL spinning parts that MUST be STARTED to spin the spool. It is called inertia of breaking free of being stopped / at rest. Larger spools are hopeless against tiny lightweight spools.    HO HO HO As a 3' pike grabs your lure.    ? Quote
Super User Darth-Baiter Posted January 30, 2022 Author Super User Posted January 30, 2022 16 hours ago, WC53 said:   You will enjoy it, I even like the clicker..  What clicker?  The drag?   I skipped fishing today to spend more time with family.  My new combo was whispering in my ear!  It can wait. Quote
Super User JustJames Posted January 30, 2022 Super User Posted January 30, 2022 Drag clicker (exciting sound) when line out just like spinning. Quote
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