Mono vs fluoro

[CrashVector]

12 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

Ya - by our own Frydog...maybe a 'garage experiment', but it's still telling.

 

 

 

From Berkley:

 

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Did You Know?

Many anglers believe that fluorocarbon is a low-stretch line, and credit its sensitivity to this factor. But it actually stretches more than nylon mono. The difference is, it takes a greater force to get fluoro stretching in the first place."

 

 

But by all means, keep repeating false info bc you want it to be true despite being given the actual facts.

 

I work in the medical field. Nothing is true unless you can prove it with actual data.

[MN Fisher]

Just now, CrashVector said:

The difference is, it takes a greater force to get fluoro stretching in the first place."

Yep - I've stated that exact thing a number of times in here.

[CrashVector]

7 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

Yep - I've stated that exact thing a number of times in here.

Correct, but to say it stretches less than mono..is false.

[cyclops2]

Premium CLEAR LINES   ?      I still have at least 1/2 of of full spool of 20? year old Ande 6# Monofilament line clear. Strong as ever. In a bureau  drawer. 

[Fishingmickey]

Ok, I throw my two cents worth of experience in the ring and see how bad I get chewed up. I'm not bothering with braid. It's a different animal and has it's purposes. 

     I used Berkely XL 14# for years and years. I started using Fluorocarbon lines about six years ago. The differences between Mono and Fluoro in my humble opinion are in stretch and sensitivity. Fluoro takes more to stretch. It still stretches but not like Mono. Mono starts stretching sooner, a lot sooner then Fluoro.  Fluoro sinks much better and faster then Mono. I like fishing with Fluorocarbon. I have found through much experimentation on the water that there is a heck of a lot of difference between brands of Fluorocarbon lines. I have settled on three Fluorocarbon lines. Seaguar Invisx and Tatsu. I've been using Diawa Samurai fluorocarbon also for the last 8-12 months with good results. I feel it's quality is right there with Tatsu. 

     I've started using some of the Sunline Armillo and Defier monofilament lines for top water baits. I like it's performance much better then the good ole Berkely XL. I've got nothing against Big game. It's a fat strong line that always breaks way above it's rated test. 

    Con's on Fluoro vs Mono. Fluoro absolutely hates to be kinked (think picking out a backlash) and will break where it has been kinked very easily.  Fluoro the has been highly stressed (breaking off a snag) weakens it. Mono not so much. Fluoro in anything larger then 8lb test IMHO doesn't belong on spinning reels unless it is as a leader to braided line.  Knot strength depends on the quality of the knot tied more so with fluoro then mono. I used the improved clinch knot for both lines and properly cinched down it works great for me. 

     I know what works for me and I use all three. Like as has been stated several times Cigar nailed with different tools in the tool box helps the job get done better.

Flame away!

Fishingmickey 

[MN Fisher]

One more thing to note about Mono vs FC

 

Mono can recover (mostly) if it's stretched...FC, if it's stretched - toss it cause it doesn't recover.

[RDB]

3 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

One more thing to note about Mono vs FC

 

Mono can recover (mostly) if it's stretched...FC, if it's stretched - toss it cause it doesn't recover.

Ugh…I so don’t want in this conversation.  Please don’t toss your fluoro if it gets stretched.

[T-Billy]

On 1/16/2022 at 5:15 PM, Brownbasser said:

I'm new to this forum stuff and was just wondering what's the big fuss about fluoro. I prefer mono, can you change my mind? Or at least justify spending so much more on fluoro?

? Come right in and swat the hornets nest with your very first post!!! I like the way you roll Brownbasser!!!  LOL Just kidding brother. This topic always stirs up... "spirited" debate. Welcome to the club. You'll enjoy it here. Good bunch of folks.

[Bass Junke]

This has been a great read. I pretty much only use 6 or 8 pound Sunline sniper for my C-rig leaders now. I had 8lb Sniper on a spinning reel for an entire season. It was fine and did not have any issues. Both spinning rigs now have Pline co-poly on them now. I didn't really observe a difference and don't see enough advantages to justify the use of floro. 

[Deleted account]

1 hour ago, MN Fisher said:

Yep - I've stated that exact thing a number of times in here.

Yep X3. The elongation per tension force applied curve is different.

[Team9nine]

2 hours ago, CrashVector said:

I dont say anything unless I have testing data to back me up, not opinions.

 

Stretch most certainly isn't the same...except testing by MANY labs says otherwise.

 

Stretch and elasticity has been tested hundreds of times.

 

 

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"The difference is, it takes a greater force to get fluoro stretching in the first place."

 

Yep - I've stated that exact thing a number of times in here.

 

 

 

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Yep X3. The elongation per tension force applied curve is different.

 

Is there anywhere to see this test data online - studies or papers you could reference? Data you could send me via message or email? ...and not some quote from Berkley - lol. I ask seriously because I've researched this quite a bit myself (I'm even mentioned/linked in one of your article links), and all the data I've seen is contrary to the "fluoro stretches differently" claim like the Berkley quote. This includes SS curve comparisons between the two, at least in anything under about 40 lb test, when compared side by side. I'd love to see something contrary to what I already have to at least show some support for the other side of this coin.

 

Thanks in advance!

[RDB]

We have officially Jumped The Shark on the stretch discussion.  How about the answer to the question of mono/fluoro stretch is both true and false.  I don’t know which one stretches more out of the box or how the force to stretch differs and it shouldn’t matter…you only get one out of the box experiment because of minimal rebound with fluoro. The first time you set a hook, fight a fish, pull a bass from the slop, hang a limb, you are going to stretch your fluoro.  That stretch sets a new baseline for the amount of stretch you will get moving forward.  Check it yourself.  Wrap some fluoro around your hands and give it some stretch at different pressures.  The more you stretch, the less and harder it is to stretch after.  You eventually get to a point where it doesn’t stretch anymore (well before the breaking point).  So IMO, fluoro does have less stretch after the initial stretch but somewhere close out of the box.

 

Does that mean the line becomes useless after the first stretch?  I don’t know but I do know that I don’t re-spool after every fish, limb, etc. and I rarely break off.  There likely isn’t a person on this site that has fluoro spooled on a reel that hasn’t been stretched.

[cyclops2]

60' of 6 pound CHEAP braid stretches about 6 inches in hot August sunlight. And it returns to same length after each stretch.  The WINNA.  

Some small fish hook themselves.

[CrashVector]

2 minutes ago, cyclops2 said:

60' of 6 pound CHEAP braid stretches about 6 inches in hot August sunlight. And it returns to same length after each stretch.  The WINNA.  

Some small fish hook themselves.

 

I use 8lb braid on my 20-size ultra-finesse setup.

[cyclops2]

If we accept the fact that most every pound test line breaks at about 2X the rating ?   Then just add a 6 ' leader piece of something clear to reduce the visibility.  My August setup. 

[padon]

im even more confused than i thought i was.lol. i use fluoro on alot of my casting rods. i dont mind it although mono behaves better. i just dont like being lied to and i wonder about the truth of stretch sensitivity etc. no sense paying the extra money if you dont have to.

[RDB]

Use what you feel comfortable with and ignore the noise.  Most of this is just semantics and people trying to defend their opinions at all costs.  It’s a fisherman thing.

[jbrew73]

3 hours ago, CrashVector said:

Correct, but to say it stretches less than mono..is false.

I would argue that under normal conditions that flouro does indeed stretch less than mono.   
testing line at it breaking strength is a poor way to judge real world fishing situations. 

[txchaser]

If you are optimizing for low stretch, Sufix Advance co-poly is significantly lower stretch than either flouro or mono. And it is really inexpensive to boot, so easy to try out. 

 

[cyclops2]

Somebody has not had a large fish swim deeper & deeper into 3' tall grass & spend over 15 minutes pulling at maximum tension quietly cutting away loads of grass all the time. I do not let a fish get tangled up & break off the line. PLUS leave a trebled hook lure in the throat or gills. I do not leave a wounded animal to die in the weeds.  I caused it. I have to do my best to free it.

[KP Duty]

Fluoro gets your jerkbaits deeper...definitely the most beneficial aspect for me.  8# sniper FTW.

[islandbass]

11 hours ago, Todd2 said:

I remember asking this same question probably 15 years ago. But time has a way of making you forget. Every few years, I'll buy a spool of fluoro and try again. Always...and I mean always... I return to mono. What's the definition of insanity? Trying the same thing over and over expecting different results...lol

 

But...I know guys who love it, like many on here. 

 

I expect it may be debated for another 15 years or more.

Or when the next newbie asks instead of perform a topic search, lol. 

[WRB]

The stretch topic. What is stretch...?

Answer yield strength the force applied to start the material to yield. Monofilament made from Nylon, bends of Nylon, blends of Nylon and polyesters or polyurethane are typically called mono or Copolymer line. The yield strength approximately 35% of the ultimate or breaking strength. Stretch being the elongation  % of yield before breaking, often referred to elasticity.

Fluorocarbon yield and ultimate strength is very close to monofilament line approx 35%. So they both “stretch” or yield under the same pulling force. 

The big difference is the elasticity, Fluorocarbon has a low elastic % and deforms when it yields. Mono line is more elastic with less deformation. 

The result is mono retains it’s diameter long under pulling force and deforms less resulting in higher knot stretch. When FC yields and deforms it stays deformed.

Tom

[Capt No Fish]

I must say I am enjoying this topic while sitting on another useless conference call thinking about spring when I can get back out fishing again.  It also warms my heart to see that there are so many other 100yd for $1 Big Game fans as well.  I love big game.  It's tough a nails.  Being new as well and with all the information overload I tried different flouro's trying to figure out all the hype.  I still like mono or braid the best.  

 

I bought a spool of yo-zuri hybrid to try this season.  Hopefully it's a good line like the big game who knows.  To the OP, don't get overwhelmed with all the information overload with the I use this or that.  Go find something that works and spend your time learning where the bass are.  If they are there, they will bite.  Even if you are using a $10 walmart pole and a $2.95 Cotton Cordell crank.

[cyclops2]

Premium CLEAR LINES   ?      I still have at least 1/2 of of full spool of 20? year old Ande 6# Monofilament line clear. Strong as ever. In a bureau  drawer.