Knot on whopper plopper 110 failed on reeling back in

[AndyG7]

I’ve been throwing whopper ploppers on 20 pound monofilament for months now and have had some great catches. I use the double schindo knot on them. I can tie other knots but this is my comfort knot. Anyway, today im using 17 pound monofilament on 110 whopper plopper and after 30 minutes of working the water the knot just failed on me and good bye $20 lure. Not a fish, not a backlash on a cast, just working the action and boom nothing.  The line looks unraveled from what appears to be the knot failing. I’m not even sure what happened. I’ve tied this knot for years. I just stared out at the muddy river hoping to my spot  my bone colored lure. I was wearing my waders so I would have gone after it but without spotting it wasn’t worth it. I’m at a lost and know don’t feel confident at all throwing anymore. 

[TnRiver46]

I’ve never heard of that knot but if you fish long enough, stuff like that will happen no matter what . Price of doing business. I like a clinch knot

[ironbjorn]

I don't know that knot either, but sometimes that just happens. Every time we go out we have to know that line/knot failure can happen and fish and/or lures can be lost.

[rtwvumtneer6]

Are you talking about the knot Gerald Swindle promotes?  Something like a double clinch knot?

 

If so, I tried it when I first saw it.  This is going to sound crazy but I had it let go a few times on my back cast.  The rod would load and it would just let loose.  I was using 20# fluoro.  I would end up with my bobber stop and a crimped piece of line where my knot was.  Never once a line break.  I slobbered on it, tied it carefully, checked for damage, etc.  I don't have to lose very much tungsten before I jump ship.  Started using the double Pitzen (videos form Klein and Grigsby on YouTube) and have been with that for 2 years now.

[AndyG7]

You probably know it as the double clinch know.i watched a  Greg Swindle video on tying it. Never had an issue with it. Probably human error lol 

[AndyG7]

2 minutes ago, rtwvumtneer6 said:

Are you talking about the knot Gerald Swindle promotes?  Something like a double clinch knot?

 

If so, I tried it when I first saw it.  This is going to sound crazy but I had it let go a few times on my back cast.  The rod would load and it would just let loose.  I was using 20# fluoro.  I would end up with my bobber stop and a crimped piece of line where my knot was.  Never once a line break.  I slobbered on it, tied it carefully, checked for damage, etc.  I don't have to lose very much tungsten before I jump ship.  Started using the double Pitzen (videos form Klein and Grigsby on YouTube) and have been with that for 2 years now.

Yes I am.  I will try a different knot when throwing these lures. Thanks for the feedback everyone. I can’t tell you how heart breaking to fill it slip off 

[FrankN209]

What brand line was you using? 

[AndyG7]

Bass pro shops premium excel 17 pound monofilament. First time using it

[Deleted account]

If the end of the line looks like a pig's...... tail, then it's a bad knot. I use 20 BG and uni, never an issue.

[AndyG7]

I’ll give a look thanks for the feedback

[Mike L]

Swindle, Gary Klien, Shaw Grigsby and others all have videos on it and claim it’s the strongest knot ever created. 
 

I use the SDJ. 
 

 

 

 

Mike

[Skunkmaster-k]

I think Swindle uses the double clinch  for fluorocarbon. A good knot for mono , fluoro  and braid is the doubled San DiegoJam , like Mike said. A doubled uni is also very reliable and consistent. 

Wait , I had a brain fart. I have never used the San Diego on braid. But I absolutely know without a doubt the uni works well with braid. Sorry about the confusion. 

[AndyG7]

One advantage to this is i learned not to tie a palamor knot with flouracarbon learning how to tie a double uni know watching a Randy Blaukaut video 

[BlakeMolone]

3 hours ago, AndyG7 said:

One advantage to this is i learned not to tie a palamor knot with flouracarbon learning how to tie a double uni know watching a Randy Blaukaut video 

Just curious, what shouldn’t you tie a Palamor knot with fluro?

[EWREX]

i use palomar knot for everything with the exception of flipping hooks. can’t recall ever having the actual knot fail

[AndyG7]

26 minutes ago, EWREX said:

i use palomar knot for everything with the exception of flipping hooks. can’t recall ever having the actual knot fail

I think if your careful not cross with floro then it won’t tear into itself is what I’ve concluded. I watched another video stating you could just had to do careful 

[rangerjockey]

Things happen. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it, tie on another plopper and get back to fishing.

I personally throw the W/P and bigger top waters in general on braid .  Really no reason not to. For me anyway.

[scbassin]

Try a cinch knot & put a drop of super glue on the knot. It will not slip then.

[Oklahoma Mike]

I don’t like the Palomar for jig style hooks that require a swing set but prefer them for treble hook lures. Since it’s a pretty big bait I’d just tie on a quality snap, it will not hurt the action of the WP. Otherwise use the SDJ, and for heavy baits (2 oz and up) use a double SDJ. 

[Phil77]

I tie a loop knot like you would use on other top water walking  baits. I've caught plenty of LM, Stripes and Whites without knot failure. I know it doesn't give the ploppers any extra action but it's just habit for me to tie a loop on any top water bait.

Also Academy has a house brand plopper bait for $6-7 that caught more numbers for me last year. Much less painful to lose one of them than a WP.

[thediscochef]

On 1/1/2022 at 10:49 PM, EWREX said:

i use palomar knot for everything with the exception of flipping hooks. can’t recall ever having the actual knot fail

This.

A double uni for leader line.

Uni/Double uni also works great for movie sets when you need things to move without being seen ?

[WRB]

I use 2 knots for everything for mono, Copolymer or FC; Palomar for hooks and clips, 6 turn SD Jam knot for lures.

The Original Braid knot is a double line clinch knot that has been around since the 50’s.

I don’t use braid with a leader.

Knots coming untied is user error, usually cutting the tag end too short or forgetting to clinch the knot tight.

Tom