Daiwa Steez CT SV TW 70XH

[QED]

Just arrived.  What's new vis-à-vis the prior CT SV TW 700XH?  Not much.  Cosmetics, better pinion bearing, finer gears, and longer handle.  But it's sweet nonetheless!

[WRB]

TT has a positive write up on the new Zillion.

Tom

[bulldog1935]

I have a positive review on my Steez SV TW

 

[KP Duty]

It was way too soon for a revamp....makes you wonder if there were a couple of things that needed adjustment.  

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2 minutes ago, KP Duty said:

It was way too soon for a revamp....makes you wonder if there were a couple of things that needed adjustment.  

That's a reasonable conjecture, but I haven't had any issues with the 2019 version.  Honestly, I'd be hard pressed to recommend the newer model over the older one given the ~$200 price delta.

[FrankN209]

Where did you pick it up at?

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1 minute ago, FrankN209 said:

Where did you pick it up at?

The Hook Up Tackle, thanks to @MN Fisher.

[KP Duty]

No more purple accents?  I kinda liked that.  I guess I assumed the '19 8.1 gear had a 90mm handle.  I'll also say it's strange I haven't seen a new steez on the JDM sites yet.  The U.S. seems to always be several months behind when new reels come out.

 

[Bandersnatch]

On 12/10/2021 at 4:14 PM, QED said:

Just arrived.  What's new vis-à-vis the prior CT SV TW 700XH?  Not much.  Cosmetics, better pinion bearing, finer gears, and longer handle.  But it's sweet nonetheless!

Better pinion bearing ?

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10 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

Better pinion bearing ?

Per Daiwa ad copy: dual-bearing, supported pinion gear keeps everything in precise alignment. Functionally, this reel seems to have just minor refinements compared to the 2019 iteration.

[FrankN209]

Can you compare the schematics of the two and see if that's true? 

[iabass8]

5 hours ago, QED said:

Per Daiwa ad copy: dual-bearing, supported pinion gear keeps everything in precise alignment. Functionally, this reel seems to have just minor refinements compared to the 2019 iteration.

Dual supported pinion bearing isnt new. Daiwas been doing it for roughly 20 years. Dual supported pinion bearings are found in Nearly every free-floating spool real Daiwa makes. New CT is just just a touch more refined which is largely impacted by the hyper drive gear. Though the gears look cut the same as the previous duralumin, they are holding up significantly better over the past year for me.

[Bandersnatch]

14 hours ago, iabass8 said:

Dual supported pinion bearing isnt new. Daiwas been doing it for roughly 20 years. Dual supported pinion bearings are found in Nearly every free-floating spool real Daiwa makes. New CT is just just a touch more refined which is largely impacted by the hyper drive gear. Though the gears look cut the same as the previous duralumin, they are holding up significantly better over the past year for me.

Are you saying you used the new ct for the last year ?

 

you saw previous damage to the old ct gear ?

 

thoughts on if the new hyper gear will fit in the older ct

[FrankN209]

4 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

Are you saying you used the new ct for the last year ?

 

you saw previous damage to the old ct gear ?

 

thoughts on if the new hyper gear will fit in the older ct

I don't think the gearing is any different. Tackle Advisors compared the new "hyper gearing" in the 2021 Steez LTD with the older Steez and the gearing looks the same...

https://youtu.be/8nDRDvoFHl8?t=1017

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1 hour ago, FrankN209 said:

I don't think the gearing is any different. Tackle Advisors compared the new "hyper gearing" in the 2021 Steez LTD with the older Steez and the gearing looks the same...

https://youtu.be/8nDRDvoFHl8?t=1017

The part numbers for the pinion gear and drive gear unit are different between the 2019 and 2021 models (in both cases 8.1:1 gear ratio and RH models). I’ve used the 2019 version for almost a year and haven’t experienced any notable gear wear or increasing slop. We’re having severe storms right now so I haven’t been able to try out the 2021 version.

[iabass8]

1 hour ago, FrankN209 said:

I don't think the gearing is any different. Tackle Advisors compared the new "hyper gearing" in the 2021 Steez LTD with the older Steez and the gearing looks the same...

https://youtu.be/8nDRDvoFHl8?t=1017

They are cut differently. Ive also compared the hyperdrive and previous gearing. They look identical size wise but they arent. Brian over at the TT had somebody confirm it.

[FrankN209]

12 minutes ago, iabass8 said:

They are cut differently. Ive also compared the hyperdrive and previous gearing. They look identical size wise but they arent. Brian over at the TT had somebody confirm it.

That's good to know, thanks. I have the new Steez LTD, I didn't know they were cut different.

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On 12/12/2021 at 11:36 AM, iabass8 said:

[stuff deleted] Though the gears look cut the same as the previous duralumin, they are holding up significantly better over the past year for me.

Were you a beta tester for Daiwa on the 2021 CT SV?  Daiwa only announced it back around August and availability was, to put it euphemistically, very scarce even as recently as November.  Daiwa USA wrote earlier this week that it's a new release and they don't have parts or PDF schematics yet (in response to a query I made to them regarding some technical info).

[iabass8]

48 minutes ago, QED said:

Were you a beta tester for Daiwa on the 2021 CT SV?  Daiwa only announced it back around August and availability was, to put it euphemistically, very scarce even as recently as November.  Daiwa USA wrote earlier this week that it's a new release and they don't have parts or PDF schematics yet (in response to a query I made to them regarding some technical info).

no but i am privy to fortunately knowing somebody who is. The hyperdrive gears in the JDM zillion G and Steez CT (new version) are cut the same.  Not same size gears but same concept. Per Brian at the TT, you can indeed swap the zillion G gears into the current Steez A/Morethan reels. Personally, from what I've measured, the main gear is the same but the pinion is slightly taller in the new zillion G but the gear mesh lines up. I did not swap the steez CT or the new one. I'm not a huge fan of the steez CT reels in general so I won't be pursing them. Much prefer then current Morethan/A line. I've used the duralumin gears for the past 6 years and they've been, for the most part, great. They can be susceptible to losing their "buttery" feel based on what they're used for. I have used the current hyperdrive in the JDM zillion for a year now and been around a used Steez CT /w them and can confidently say they are better gears. Daiwa is becoming more strict on gear sales. especially JDM sets. For example, PLAT, unless something has changed lately, is not allowed to sell current duralumin gears for the morethan or any other current JDM reel. You have to send the reel into them for replacement now. It's a reel specific issue so asking him is the best course of action if looking.  

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20 minutes ago, iabass8 said:

no but i am privy to fortunately knowing somebody who is. The hyperdrive gears in the JDM zillion G and Steez CT (new version) are cut the same.  Not same size gears but same concept. Per Brian at the TT, you can indeed swap the zillion G gears into the current Steez A/Morethan reels. Personally, from what I've measured, the main gear is the same but the pinion is slightly taller in the new zillion G but the gear mesh lines up. I did not swap the steez CT or the new one. I'm not a huge fan of the steez CT reels in general so I won't be pursing them. Much prefer then current Morethan/A line. I've used the duralumin gears for the past 6 years and they've been, for the most part, great. They can be susceptible to losing their "buttery" feel based on what they're used for. I have used the current hyperdrive in the JDM zillion for a year now and been around a used Steez CT /w them and can confidently say they are better gears. Daiwa is becoming more strict on gear sales. especially JDM sets. For example, PLAT, unless something has changed lately, is not allowed to sell current duralumin gears for the morethan or any other current JDM reel. You have to send the reel into them for replacement now. It's a reel specific issue so asking him is the best course of action if looking.  

I'm aware that the newer "Hyper Drive" gears have a different tooth profile and a different lateral angle cut hence they are indeed a bit smoother.  But you implied (whether intentionally or not) that the 2019 CT SV gears were somehow deficient in terms of wear compared to the 2021 iteration.  But that isn't supported by facts since the 2021 version just came out.  I've extensively used the 2019 CT SV for just under a year and the gears are as smooth and slop-free as the day I bought it, so they wear just fine.  The 2021 hyper gears are nominally smoother due to their updated design, but the 2019 CT SV doesn't have any notable gear wear issues under use.  So I reiterate that it is a tough call to choose between the two versions given the ~$200 price difference.  I have both, so I don't have a dog in this fight.

[iabass8]

20 minutes ago, QED said:

I'm aware that the newer "Hyper Drive" gears have a different tooth profile and a different lateral angle cut hence they are indeed a bit smoother.  But you implied (whether intentionally or not) that the 2019 CT SV gears were somehow deficient in terms of wear compared to the 2021 iteration.  But that isn't supported by facts since the 2021 version just came out.  I've extensively used the 2019 CT SV for just under a year and the gears are as smooth and slop-free as the day I bought it, so they wear just fine.  The 2021 hyper gears are nominally smoother due to their updated design, but the 2019 CT SV doesn't have any notable gear wear issues under use.  So I reiterate that it is a tough call to choose between the two versions given the ~$200 price difference.  I have both, so I don't have a dog in this fight.

I really don't know what you're getting at or asking by say that something isn't supported by facts just based on your use but w/e. There's been various discussions across some reel tech groups and other forums of having to replace more than their fair share of duralumin gears faster than usual. the Tt themselves even said the same thing....results obviously will vary and it isn't obviously as "wide spread" as dry tatula gears but regardless, it's had enough of a presence to raise eyebrows. 

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26 minutes ago, iabass8 said:

I really don't know what you're getting at or asking by say that something isn't supported by facts just based on your use but w/e. There's been various discussions across some reel tech groups and other forums of having to replace more than their fair share of duralumin gears faster than usual. the Tt themselves even said the same thing....results obviously will vary and it isn't obviously as "wide spread" as dry tatula gears but regardless, it's had enough of a presence to raise eyebrows. 

I'm stating that the longer term durability of a NEW gearset compared to an older one is unknown since the former hasn't been around long enough to empirically compare to the latter.  My experience doesn't factor into that.  Also, the hyper gears have a different gear geometry but I haven't seen it noted in Daiwa marketing hype that the new gears are made of a different material.  "Duraluminum" is just a portmanteau of durable and aluminum but it doesn't specify a unique aluminum alloy.

[bulldog1935]

I'll chime in here a little bit about the gears. 

The finer reshaped gear teeth ensure more gear teeth and, especially a larger surface area of gear teeth are in contact, which reduces contact stress and gear wear. 

Where they're heading with aluminum gear processing is deeper and harder anodizing for extended gear life. 

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Finally found time to take the reel for a spin, despite some moderate rain.  From a casting perspective the CT SV 70 is identical to the prior CT SV 700 at the same settings.  The only discernable difference is that on the retrieve, the 70's longer handle feels better and the gears are just slightly smoother than the prior 700 model.  But if you've ever used any steez model prior to the introduction of hyper gears, then you'd know that the pre-hyper gears were pretty smooth to begin with.  So just a modest refinement for a ~$200 price bump which is a pretty steep premium.  That said, I like it.