School Me on Braid for Certate 5000D

[JS8588]

One of my Black Friday purchases was a  Certate 5000D. Really wanted a 4000D but at 20% off, I couldn't pass it up. Going to pair it with a 7'6 Heavy Legend Trek (15-30lb rating) I bought when they were on closeout. 

 

Heretofore, all my fishing has been with mono. Finally tried some fluoro (12lb Tatsu) last month doing some pier fishing in Florida & I definitely get the hype about increased sensitivity.

 

The stated capacity on the Certate won't give me enough 20lb with mono or fluoro,, so I'm going to give braid a try.

 

Pretty well set on using Berkley X9 Crystal after doing some research & watching TackleAdvisors review. Now, do I go with 30lb or 40?

 

Is the Certate designed to spool braid without tape or backing, or will one of these be necessary?

 

Should I try spooling it on myself (I have no equipment but I'm not opposed to buying some) or should I seek professional assistance?

 

Please advise!

[bulldog1935]

5000D is a big reel with a deep spool. 

It's intended for light offshore or heavy inshore. 

The capacity is 150 m (165 yds) of 0.4 mm line - 20-lb mono, or in X-braid, that's 90-lb

Here's the calculator for capacity with different line diameter

https://www.pattayafishing.net/fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/

 

The braid spools are 4000CXH, 3000XH and 3000CXH, and of course, the smaller 2500XH. 

I looked it up, 4000 is a different body, and spools won't inerchange. 

I haven't figured out Daiwa RCS spools, but they may make aftermarket braid spools for your reel. 

Here it is, I found it on ebay - https://www.ebay.com/itm/402517039171

200 m PE#1.5 (0.2 mm dia.) - that's about perfect 

You might try hunting this spool on Asian Portal - probably cheaper, and free Fed-Ex express for $100 purchase. 

 

Here's my Yumeya PE1520 spool (same capacity) for large-body Shimano

 

You can use this line calculator for stacking lines - mono backing and working braid on top. 

https://www.pattayafishing.net/advanced-fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/

 

Edited December 1, 2021 by bulldog1935

[JS8588]

2 hours ago, bulldog1935 said:

5000D is a big reel with a deep spool. 

It's intended for light offshore or heavy inshore. 

The capacity is 150 m (165 yds) of 0.4 mm line - 20-lb mono, or in X-braid, that's 90-lb

Here's the calculator for capacity with different diameter

https://www.pattayafishing.net/fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/

 

The braid spools are 4000CXH, 3000XH and 3000CXH, and of course, the smaller 2500XH. 

I looked it up, 4000 is a different body, and spools won't inerchange. 

I haven't figured out Daiwa RCS spools, but they may make aftermarket braid spools for your reel. 

Here it is, I found it on ebay - https://www.ebay.com/itm/402517039171

200 m PE#1.5 (0.2 mm dia.) - that's about perfect 

You might try hunting this spool on Asian Portal - probably cheaper, and free Fed-Ex express for $100 purchase. 

 

Here's my Yumeya PE1520 spool (same capacity) for large-body Shimano

 

You can use this line calculator for stacking lines - mono backing and working braid on top. 

https://www.pattayafishing.net/advanced-fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/

 

 

Pretty sure you misread my post.

[jimmyjoe]

4 hours ago, JS8588 said:

The stated capacity on the Certate won't give me enough 20lb with mono or fluoro,

 

   The current production model, the Certate LT 5000D, has a stated capacity of 180 yards of 20 lb. line. Is this not enough for pier fishing? Even if you consider that the factory specs might be a little ..... optimistic .... that's a lot of line.

    But if your question addresses the aspect of braid only, then I'd say you need to ask around the piers, and get other pier fishermen's advice. (There may be some in this forum.)  This is somewhat beyond common bass fishing specs.

 

   Is it possible that you have the previous production model ... the one just before the LT variant? I know nothing about that reel at all, but it's possible that it is different enough that it has a different capacity.

   One last item: Daiwa used to be pretty good about advising braid capacity as well as nylon capacity with their reels. Hopefully, they still do. I would check their manual, and take their advice to heart. In the past, I have doubted Daiwa's guidelines on lines, and found out the hard way that they knew what they were talking about. And I say that grudgingly, because I'm no Daiwa fanboy.  ?

 

   Good luck!           jj

 

p.s. - I know a crazy galoot who is obsessed with using spinning gear. His frog-and-punch setup is a Shimano 4000 Stradic with 40 lb. braid. Bad thing is, I never asked him the brand of braid. The new 4000 and 5000 Daiwa reels are, I believe, the same lip diameter as the Shimano reels, so that may give you some vague idea of where to start.

   Scroll down to "reel sizing":

   https://daiwafishing.com.au/pages/light-tough

 

p.p.s. - I believe what @bulldog1935 was getting at is that without a lot of backing, or a shallow spool, a reel that size would spool prodigious amounts of expensive braid. If you have deep pockets, that's not a bad thing. If you're trying to save some money, well, then it is.

[bulldog1935]

If you look at the flat 250 yards on my Yumeya spool (no backing), you may get it even better -- a fuller spool with perfect flat line lay and no hour-glassing. 

 

As a rule, deep spools get perfect line lay with larger diameter lines, but they hour-glass as you load more and more thin line.  The hour-glassing limits capacity, but more important, it affects cast distance, and possibly wind knots. 

[JS8588]

Part of the reason I'm debating between 30 & 40lb is I used that line capacity calculator & 40lb braid would only require 1 328 yard spool of Berkley X9 (it would hold 278 yards).

 

30lb X9 would give me 435 yards, assuming no backing, etc used. That would require purchasing the 2188 yard bulk spool. 

 

For something that will be used in Saltwater duty more than anything else, I'm more comfortable with the >400 yard capacity, on the other hand, 40lb braid would allow me to take more advantage of the Certate's 26lbs of drag.

 

Decisions, decisions.

 

Fedex tracker says the reel will be delivered tomorrow. Maybe I'll have a better feel once it's in hand.

[jimmyjoe]

   Pier fishing needs good knots. I have no idea how you feel about knots in braid, or how well-versed you are. Common knots can result in reduced knot strength for braid. You might want to glance at this site to see whether you want to experiment:

 

  https://www.knotsforfishing.com/triple-loop-knot/

[bulldog1935]

Not to  derail the big-reel subject, but with Texas vast inshore water, I grew up pier fishing in the bays. 

Pier fishing in the surf, people catch bull redfish, black drum, sharks, a few mackerel, pompano, jacks, maybe a lifetime cobia - this is different with the normal inshore fish - seatrout. 

Had it honed to an UL science before I brought my daughters up doing the same thing - releasing 40 nursery trout every sunset, and maybe some schoolies thrown in.  

 

Under the lights, so much of the bait you're imitating is tiny - tiny mullet in the summer, tiny glass minnows in the winter.  Counted it, 13 years ago, bought our first pair of UL and XUL shore light game (rockfish) rods from Japan, and they were an instant boon for getting tiny baits to the edge of the lights. 

I've added two more of these in even longer rods, and fish them with light braid and 1000- and 2000-size Shimanos. 

and more recently, BFS

 

Likewise in the winter, your two daytime inshore choices are imitating 6" mullet for scattered big fish that will eat them, or tiny glass minnows for fish stacking in tide passes. (Or catch the pompano migration in the surf.)  This September, our tide-pass timing found stacked snook. 

 

We have our dock-fishing Jones for 4 nights beginning tomorrow night (new moon) in far south Texas. The place we go new moons every winter is a phenomenon - the Arroyo Colorado was once the main channel of the Rio Grande before the main channel moved 17 mi south.  Now it's part of the delta with a dredged barge channel from Lower Laguna Madre ICW to Port Harlingen.  One side of the arroyo is lined with houses and lighted docks.  While the larger females stake a breeding turf on the flats, and also travel to feed, the male schoolie specs chase bait 25 mi /day.  They sweep through the arroyo dock lights all night, especially in the winter - and on new moons, they don't have any place else to go. 

Fishing tandems, we often double with redfish and snook - the two fish fight each other, we just have to get at least one of them into a big long-handle net. 

 

It's really cool and requires some stealth.  You sit on the dock, smoke cigars, sip rum, and talk, waiting for fish sign in the lights.  Someone stands up, catches a fish and sits back down.  Everybody on the dock rotates through, and we get limits of fish taco fillets every night.  Out of 200 fish, I filleted only two 16" nursery trout females,, and only kept those because they were injured.  We normally keep 17", which are too big for nursery trout, and should be schoolie males, up to about 23"

Just checked latest weather prediction for the next 4 days.  Prevailing SE the entire time - no front is going to reach us.  Highs low 80s, lowest low 65. 

[JS8588]

@bulldog1935 you're welcome to derail any time. Your experience & commentary are part of the reason I joined this forum.

 

The Certate came in yesterday and...wow. It's in a completely different class from anything else I own. It fits the Legend Trek well.

 

Making an effort to finally do the Los Cabos trip I've always wanted to go on next year (Pending convincing the wife) & the Certate/Legend Trek would be a worthy combo to take along for Rooster Fish etc.

 

Leaning towards 30lb braid since the rod's rating is 15-30lbs.

[jimmyjoe]

 

 

1 hour ago, JS8588 said:

Leaning towards 30lb braid since the rod's rating is 15-30lbs.

 

   I wouldn't worry about ratings on the rod. Most of the time, they're mono.

  Your rod is rated Heavy power. How much "oomph" are you going to put on it? Not the line, not the reel drag, but YOU.

   How much lift does the rod have? In other words, how much dead weight can the rod lift before it breaks? Do you think it can lift 30 lbs?

   25 lbs?

   20 lbs?

   15 lbs?

 

   Use the braid that you really want to use, that handles best, and don't worry about anything else.

 

   And remember .......... HAVE FUN! ?                    jj

[GetFishorDieTryin]

I like to have plenty of line on my heavy gear, usually about 250yds of braid and a mono backing underneath it.  Odds are most of that line wont used often, but if you do hookup with a fish that can really run you'll be happy you have it.  

If your casting lures I would go with 30lb, if your just soaking bait then going with a heavier line wont be a big disadvantage.  

If you don't have a whole lot of experience spooling up braid, your better off taking the line and reel to a good tackle shop.  That way you know the line is going to be spooled good and tight.