Ultralight rods

[shimano]

Hello, so I've be thinking about a okuma cellio 7 foot trout rod. I want to cast martin panthers for trout. Would a ultralight rod cast panthers better? But can you use carolina on the ultralight too? Where can I find a ultralight 7 foot trout rod?

[thunderblack]

Check out the Lamiglas X11 trout rods. Several places have these in stock and the 7' UL is really nice. I have the full cork previous model and fished it all summer and loved it. 

[jimmyjoe]

6 hours ago, shimano said:

Where can I find a ultralight 7 foot trout rod?

 

   Try looking through the lineup at FishUSA. They have a nice selection.

 

   https://www.fishusa.com/Fishing/Fishing-Rods/Spinning-Rods?Rod-Power=Ultra-Light

 

  jj

 

   P.S. - I assumed you're looking for a SPINNING SETUP ONLY, but if you'd consider an ultralight casting outfit, this rod (which I have used) is wonderful. Take the "trolling" classification with a large grain of salt.

  

   https://www.fishusa.com/Daiwa-Spinmatic-D-Trolling-Rods

 

  

[mrpao]

I dont have the okuma 7' light.

But i do have the 6' and 6'6" ultra light version. 

I throw up to 1/6 oz roostertails on these rods often. No doubt they could handle more weight. 

When you say Carolina rig, I assume with powerbait. Any of these rods will do fine. No need to think too hard about it.

Not sure about the 7' rod, but the versions I have are moderate action and bend fairly easily. Not very sensitive but great for keeping fish pinned.

The daiwa spinmatic has a similar action. Its fairly moderate as well. I had that rod in the 7' ultra light. Also not very sensitive either. But for spinners and powerbait, it should work ok as well.

[islandbass]

9 hours ago, shimano said:

Hello, so I've be thinking about a okuma cellio 7 foot trout rod. I want to cast martin panthers for trout. Would a ultralight rod cast panthers better? But can you use carolina on the ultralight too? Where can I find a ultralight 7 foot trout rod?

I have that rod. I am also a Lamiglas fan but honestly you need not look any further. 
 

my first fish with a panther Martin on my 7’ celilo yielded a hooked trout just a few weeks ago. 
 

of course you can Carolina rig with it, but it just needs to be scaled appropriately to the rods power. How/what do you plan to c-rig? For example, using power bait eggs or dough utilizes a c-rig set up by default. But if you plan to c-rig like a 1/2oz bullet with a soft plastic for bass, that’s not the best tool to use. 
 

one other thing. Mine is technically listed by okuma as a light powered rod but from its lure weight range, For all intents, it is a UL rod in my eyes. Mine has caught more fish than all of my other rods combined. Period, end of story, Nuff said, lol. 
 

ive drop shotted with it (to scale of course) with much success too. 

[Bluebasser86]

What size inlines are you using? IMO, most UL rods don't have the backbone to set the hook with anything but the smallest spinner hooks. I've got a 6' Avid UL and it just can't do it. 

[islandbass]

25 minutes ago, Bluebasser86 said:

What size inlines are you using? IMO, most UL rods don't have the backbone to set the hook with anything but the smallest spinner hooks. I've got a 6' Avid UL and it just can't do it. 

Good point. I can tell you that I had no issue setting the hook with I believe 1/8 through 3/8 oz panthers and trebles to boot. That said, honestly, the trout practically set the hook on themselves. During the retrieve, they’d hit, my rod bent and I continued to reel and pull back just a little to ensure tension on the line. I don’t even know if I could call that a true cross the eyes bass hook set. But then again, I don’t think I can recall ever setting the hook like that on any fish. Yet. Still working my way from finesse to heavier fishing where possible such a hook sett might be warranted. 

[bulldog1935]

8 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

What size inlines are you using? IMO, most UL rods don't have the backbone to set the hook with anything but the smallest spinner hooks. I've got a 6' Avid UL and it just can't do it. 

You'll get my standard rod taper description here. 

Short traditional UL rods are para taper, with a faster tip, more flex as you move into the mid and butt, and a narrow lure weight range. 

Long UL, all-range, bass finesse, shore light game (rockfish) rods are progressive taper, with most flex in the tip, a faster mid, and a stiff butt.  They have wide lure weight range, protect the lightest line, and keeping the rod low sets the hook and turns big fish using the rod butt. 

[shimano]

11 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

What size inlines are you using? IMO, most UL rods don't have the backbone to set the hook with anything but the smallest spinner hooks. I've got a 6' Avid UL and it just can't do it. 

I use 4 pound flouro. 

 

I don't know which power casts panthers better 

So do you guys think a 6 foot rod is better than a seven foot rod? I want to cast panthers at big rivers like park lakes.

I also want to use powerbait

[volzfan59]

I used to use ultra-light rods for trout and bluegill fishing with good success, but I wanted something a little stiffer. I purchased a 7' St Croix light action "Panfish" series rod and I love it. I have a Shimano Stradic 3000 reel and I too use 4 lb line, mono in my case. I throw a bunch of different spinners. Panther Martin, Blue Fox, Rooster Tails and more recently Joe's Flies.

[cyclops2]

Shimano

 

Are you most concerned about casting distance upstream and into breezes ?What is causing the doubts ?  I find trout to be self hook setters. 

 

They can be very fast hard strikes that easily drag a rod into the water.  Been there more than once.

[bulldog1935]

6 hours ago, shimano said:

... So do you guys think a 6 foot rod is better than a seven foot rod? I want to cast panthers at big rivers like park lakes.

I also want to use powerbait

 

I think it's the opposite, 7' is more versatile - 6' and shorter are for fishing streams and tight cover.  More people may have 6' UL rods, because they're traditional. 

Mine go out to 8'3' but they're about reaching as far as possible. 

If you look at casting as ballistics, rod rotation being constant, every 20% increase in rod length doubles cast distance. 

With the longer rod, you cast light weights with the tip, which also protects the light line, and fight fish with the butt. 

As I tried to describe above, the short para UL loads deep over the full rod length to cast a narrow lure weight range. 

[Further North]

19 hours ago, jimmyjoe said:

P.S. - I assumed you're looking for a SPINNING SETUP ONLY, but if you'd consider an ultralight casting outfit, this rod (which I have used) is wonderful. Take the "trolling" classification with a large grain of salt.

  

   https://www.fishusa.com/Daiwa-Spinmatic-D-Trolling-Rods

That's a cool rod...

What reel to pair with it?

 

[jimmyjoe]

3 hours ago, Further North said:

What reel to pair with it?

 

   I'd go straight to the Curado  BFS.  The Daiwa Alphas CT SV would be fine, too, but it's more money and JDM (no US warranty).

   If you really want to find out what low-power casting is like, put one of those little Zebco or Daiwa spincast reels on this. It'll give you a good idea whether you like ultra-light casting or not, and you won't have much dough wrapped up.               jj

[Further North]

12 minutes ago, jimmyjoe said:

 

   I'd go straight to the Curado  BFS.  The Daiwa Alphas CT SV would be fine, too, but it's more money and JDM (no US warranty).

   If you really want to find out what low-power casting is like, put one of those little Zebco or Daiwa spincast reels on this. It'll give you a good idea whether you like ultra-light casting or not, and you won't have much dough wrapped up.               jj

Thanks, I have a couple of pretty light set ups already - I fish Ned Rigs on a 7' 9" casting rig, and Senkos as well, but that's getting pretty "heavy".

I have an Abu Garcia LTX that might work even better than that Curado, and the small size Aldebaran, I was wondering if that rod needed even lighter.

[PressuredFishing]

On 11/30/2021 at 9:49 AM, shimano said:

Hello, so I've be thinking about a okuma cellio 7 foot trout rod. I want to cast martin panthers for trout. Would a ultralight rod cast panthers better? But can you use carolina on the ultralight too? Where can I find a ultralight 7 foot trout rod?

Line diameter makes the biggest difference, so 2-4lb is most important. Action of rod is most important, so ultralight is the best option as it can fling small baits with light line further than a light or med light.  Carolina rigs on ultralights can work but you need to use weights lighter than 1/4th oz or you risk snapping your rod. Do not buy the bass pro shops ultralight rods, both versions the airstream and the other one has eyes becoming wiggly on the blank and they bend as well. Also they have stainless steel guides that get line divits that can cause line damage. On top of that they snapped for me. The okuma cellios is an amazing rod I own it, it has silicone aluminum oxide guides which is important on light line. Avoid buying on amazon as shipping is poorly packaged. Other good rods include the shimano sensilite, shakesphere Featherlight, and diawa presso. All of these rods are affordable and good for the price. You will have hard time finding rods especially here on West coast because of shipping crisis

[shimano]

17 hours ago, PressuredFishing said:

Line diameter makes the biggest difference, so 2-4lb is most important. Action of rod is most important, so ultralight is the best option as it can fling small baits with light line further than a light or med light.  Carolina rigs on ultralights can work but you need to use weights lighter than 1/4th oz or you risk snapping your rod. Do not buy the bass pro shops ultralight rods, both versions the airstream and the other one has eyes becoming wiggly on the blank and they bend as well. Also they have stainless steel guides that get line divits that can cause line damage. On top of that they snapped for me. The okuma cellios is an amazing rod I own it, it has silicone aluminum oxide guides which is important on light line. Avoid buying on amazon as shipping is poorly packaged. Other good rods include the shimano sensilite, shakesphere Featherlight, and diawa presso. All of these rods are affordable and good for the price. You will have hard time finding rods especially here on West coast because of shipping crisis

What size reel would be good for a 7 foot ultralight? Or 6 foot.

[mrpao]

On my ultralight rods I usually put a 1000 or 500 size reel.

I feel that get that true ultralight feel, you need a small light weight reel.  Most of my reels have 6, 4 or 2 lbs line on them. I'll also used 6 and 8 lbs braid to get better casting sometimes.

[PressuredFishing]

6 hours ago, shimano said:

What size reel would be good for a 7 foot ultralight? Or 6 foot.

Really anything between 2-6lbs. It really depends on how heavy of lures your going to throw, and secondly but not near as important the structure around and the size of fish

1/16th-1/64th=2lb

1/16th-1/8th=4lb (also sparse wood or rock that's snaggy)

1/8th-1/4-6lb (and rocky bottoms or woody bottoms)

Also DO NOT use a small reel, use a standard size 25 if your using pflugers or size 20 if using any other brand. Using one of those tiny tiny pocket spinning reels has no pros, it takes up less line, and will have more "springy" line because the spool is smaller. For line type mono or coplymers are best for trout, braid is overhyped and will saw through stainless steel guides, which manuly reel guides are made of in the ultralight setting. Good quality lines (the best on the market) include izorline cxx premium, Maxima green coplymer, pline cxx. Berkley triline is the thinnest of diameters by a hair but is way weaker than these, I have tried it three times from three different packages and it's garbage out the box and breaks when tying knots lightly when on the reel for a month. 

 

[ATA]

If you can get the 7.6 one or two piece. I have 7.6 two piece and I really like it.

[cyclops2]

My best reel for casting very light lures. Is my old light duty salt water reel.  With 4 # Braid or 4# mono I can easily cast far enough to not spook the fish. I have 2 spools loaded. Took forever to remember my old Mitchel.  It is on a 2 piece 8' stiff  action.  Re guided with lightweight large diameter  spinning guides.  The top section is medium stiff. Bottom is stiff.  I experimented & found tip speed is all important. Reason for the stiffer tip................ I do cast a lot farther if the wind is at my back.

[shimano]

You guys think a 8 foot would be better? I fish at big rivers.

[Further North]

...if I were going to try to fish for trout with gear, I'd use at least 20# braid, with about 10' of mono or fluoro leader.

...I'd probably use mono because fluoro takes forever to break down.

[cyclops2]

Something about trout to use AGAINST them.     Their SPEED.  As soon as the lure is under water. Crank very fast.  The trout will have less time to see line or that the lure is not real. 

 

We had a contest with stocked trout speeds on opening day.  NO BODY could retrieve faster than any trout. Not even worth more than 2 serious tests. The high up guys on the bridge were pointing & laughing for several minutes.     

[islandbass]

On 12/2/2021 at 4:56 PM, shimano said:

You guys think a 8 foot would be better? I fish at big rivers.

That would be a minimum in my neck of the woods. I have a 9’6” rod for rivers. 
 

The longest you can get away with is my suggestion. The longer rod length gives you greater casting distance BUT more importantly, IMHO, greater line control. 
 

You do have to take other factors into account like the flora around. If it’s close knit and tight quarters, then a 9’6” rod probably isn’t the best choice.