Snap swivels/swivels?

[PressuredFishing]

Do snap swivels or swivels help decrease line twist? Have hadguys saying they decrease the action of the bait on lures, but even fishing worms have been twisting my line, I'm starting to think it's either me being lazy and not threading them 100%, or just part of the game. Any ideas?

[Fishingmickey]

     Are you using a spinning reel Pressured? And to answer your question.  Yes, threading on a worm crooked will cause your lure to spin. You can see this pretty easily when your retrieving it that last few feet of the cast or just drop it in the water with two or three feet of line out and pull it. Does it spin? Spinning reels do create line twist. There are a couple of ways to get the twist out. One is to let out about half the spool of line ( with no lure or anything on it) while towing it behind the boat for a few minutes like 7-10 minutes.  The water drag will remove the twists.

     The other land based option is to find some place to wedge your rod and reel. Tie the end of your line to something, walk off about two good cast lengths or more (this should get it past the twisted portion).  Untie the free end of your line.  Then set the rod down and wedge it.  Take a cloth or a micro fiber towel and gently pinch the line between your fingers. Walk the line while holding it in between your fingers with the cloth from the rod to the end of your line. You should notice the twists coming out of the line. If you didn't get them all the first time or are not sure do it another time or two. 

Hope this helps,

Fishingmickey 

[PressuredFishing]

2 hours ago, Fishingmickey said:

     Are you using a spinning reel Pressured? And to answer your question.  Yes, threading on a worm crooked will cause your lure to spin. You can see this pretty easily when your retrieving it that last few feet of the cast or just drop it in the water with two or three feet of line out and pull it. Does it spin? Spinning reels do create line twist. There are a couple of ways to get the twist out. One is to let out about half the spool of line ( with no lure or anything on it) while towing it behind the boat for a few minutes like 7-10 minutes.  The water drag will remove the twists.

     The other land based option is to find some place to wedge your rod and reel. Tie the end of your line to something, walk off about two good cast lengths or more (this should get it past the twisted portion).  Untie the free end of your line.  Then set the rod down and wedge it.  Take a cloth or a micro fiber towel and gently pinch the line between your fingers. Walk the line while holding it in between your fingers with the cloth from the rod to the end of your line. You should notice the twists coming out of the line. If you didn't get them all the first time or are not sure do it another time or two. 

Hope this helps,

Fishingmickey 

thanks these sound like pretty good methods, I have found a method to completley eliminate memory from mono and floro on spinning reels, but the line twist still gets me some days, It can get so bad as to when I make a cast the entire reel blows up like a backlash. I will try the boat trolling method and try the land based method as well, perhaps both may put an end to this issue.

[MN Fisher]

4 minutes ago, PressuredFishing said:

I have found a method to completley eliminate memory from mono and floro on spinning reels,

Care to share the secret?

 

50+ years of using spinners with mono, FC and hybrid and I still have line-memory...though rigorous use of KVD reduces it quite a bit.

[gim]

8 minutes ago, PressuredFishing said:

I have found a method to completley eliminate memory from mono and floro on spinning reels

I would like to know as well.

[PressuredFishing]

3 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

Care to share the secret?

 

50+ years of using spinners with mono, FC and hybrid and I still have line-memory...though rigorous use of KVD reduces it quite a bit.

get one of those big buckets that say home depot or lowes or whatever on em if you know what im talking about, I think they are 5 or 10 gallons. fill the bucket up with water all the way. Then take your spool and put it in the water face side down. IT HAS TO BE LABEL SIDE DOWN. Why I say this is because the sticky glue from the label (if the label is on top) will slide down into the spool and make a sticky mess, but if its label side down the sticky label glue will just sit at the bottom of the bucket. for the results to work it took around 3 weeks, I have some that have been soaking in this bucket for 2 years now, big giant spools like the 1lb spools, the monofilament comes off like braid its so limp. Most important part is when you are spooling make sure the label side is down (you dont need to hold to spool just put it on the ground with the label down and put your rod tip over the spool)  the reason I say this is because its the only way to get that limp line on your reel with zero line twist. Living in SOCAL and growing up trout fishing, I have fished spinning rods sense I was 6, and I have tried everything from using warm water to soaking your fishing reel spool to those stupid gadgets that dont work to even spooling the line when the spool is in a bucket. This is by far the best method and I now proudly use the cheapest most kinkiest memory filled line (zebco omniflex) 2.99 (for 700 yards) with great success and it comes off the spool like braid. Many people dont know this method and I think it would make peoples lives alot easier without buying expensive braid. if you just want to try it buy a spool of zebco omniflex, and let it soak this winter, and spool it up in the spring on a crappy reel, you will be truley impressed.

[cheezyridr]

maybe it works to eliminate twist, but i doubt it improves the amount of stretch, knot strength, or abrasion resistance.   i can only speak for myself, but i'll take a hard pass on cheap line for the above reasons

[MN Fisher]

13 minutes ago, PressuredFishing said:

for the results to work it took around 3 weeks,

I don't doubt that a long soak removed the line-memory. Since nylon-monofilament is hydroscopic, it's absorbed water deep into the line. This causes the nylon molecules to be 'lubricated' by the water through the entire diameter. I think if you did checks before and after, you'll find that the diameter of the soaked line is a little bigger than that of the dry line.

 

3 minutes ago, cheezyridr said:

maybe it works to eliminate twist, but i doubt it improves the amount of stretch, knot strength, or abrasion resistance.   i can only speak for myself, but i'll take a hard pass on cheap line for the above reasons

Ya, side effect of all that water in the structure is going to be limper line for sure - but it's also going to be stretchier and weaker as the nylon molecules aren't as closely attached as they were when dry.

 

I think if you let a soaked spool sit for a few weeks to completely dry out - you'll find that the line-memory has returned as all the water has leeched out.

 

Simple physics.

 

Like cheezy said - I'll take the memory over a weaker/stretchier line.

Some articles on water-absorption in nylon and it's effects.

 

"Effects of Moisture Absorption on Properties

The water molecules that hydrogen bond between the nylon polymer chains cause the to move farther apart from each other. This causes a ‘loosening’ of the molecular attraction which causes a reduction in mechanical properties and an increase in fluidity. The glass transition temperature reduces, and can drop by 20°C or more. The strength and stiffness decrease while the impact and toughness increase. The amount of reduction in mechanical properties is dependent on the amount of moisture absorbed."

https://www.amcopolymers.com/resources/blog/nylon-and-moisture-absorption

 

"Effect of moisture on properties

Moisture acts as a plasticizer in nylon and therefore reduces strength and stiffness properties but increases elongation and toughness."

https://knowledge.ulprospector.com/1489/pe-dry-vs-conditioned-polyamide-nylon/

 

 

[PressuredFishing]

8 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

I don't doubt that a long soak removed the line-memory. Since nylon-monofilament is hydroscopic, it's absorbed water deep into the line. This causes the nylon molecules to be 'lubricated' by the water through the entire diameter. I think if you did checks before and after, you'll find that the diameter of the soaked line is a little bigger than that of the dry line.

 

Ya, side effect of all that water in the structure is going to be limper line for sure - but it's also going to be stretchier and weaker as the nylon molecules aren't as closely attached as they were when dry.

 

I think if you let a soaked spool sit for a few weeks to completely dry out - you'll find that the line-memory has returned as all the water has leeched out.

 

Simple physics.

 

Like cheezy said - I'll take the memory over a weaker/stretchier line.

Surprisingly it has the same knot strength and same stretch for me, none of the issues you listed above have occured and I have used many different types and brands of mono and floro I havent taken some of my rods out for months at a time and the line still comes off like braid. Im not a psyicist or chemist but none of the issues you mentioned above have come to me, only the usually line twist issues from fishing, but no memory after putting it on. Im not going to try to convience you to use my method any more because its your reel and you can choose to do whatever you like, but you will never know unless you try. (P.S zebco omniflex is highly underrated mono and blows berkleys trilene XL line out of the park, its stronger but albeit slightly thicker diameter but with even less stretch.) If you want images of an old spinning reel that has line on it with this method thats been sitting out of water for three months DM me your email so I can shoot you an image of the line still acting like braid. I wouldnt have typed this much just to lead you astray, and Im not trying to sell you any crap either, Im simply telling you what has worked for me for the past eight years, I learned it from crappie tournament anglers that use the standard mono, and P.S (some of them use zebco omniflex too because its decent for the price when praticing)

[cyclops2]

Since I use 4 & 6 pound test Mono & braid.  Solid line WILL get tangled more quickly than the braided line. On my larger spinning reels.  New braid twists almost as bad  as Mono.  Braid that has all the STIFF NEWNESS casted out of it ?  Is still great with 1.5" Rapalas. Casting MOSTLY with the wind works out best.  Yes I do let out just 200' of both types & idle around to remove the twist.

That is good enough for me. Swivels are useless at 4 & 6 # test lines. I tie right to the lure split ring.

[Bluebasser86]

A GOOD swivel will reduce line twist. Cheap ones will often not do much for it. 

[Fishingmickey]

9 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

A GOOD swivel will reduce line twist. Cheap ones will often not do much for it. 

X2!!!

[cyclops2]

My used 4 & 6 pound braid comes in with double rows of twists. I use just the snap part of a swivel to connect to a lure. Allows quick release & reconnect .

[Glenn]

Very useful information:

 

 

[CrashVector]

I only use swivels when catfishing, bluegill fishing, buzzbaits, and top water.

 

Everything else, I tie directly to the hook.

[Mbirdsley]

I use snaps on hard baits/cranks/jerkbaits.  Only time I could see use a snap swivel is either casting,/trolling spoons, or when using a salmon fly with a flasher/rotator. We have even gotten away from snap swivels trolling hard baits IE rapalas, bomber long A’s, bandits, and challengers
 

If you decide that you have to/want a snap swivel on  lure. BUY a good quality ball bearing snap swivel. A good quality crane style swivel would work too I suppose.
 

Spend the little extra money.  It will save the heart ache of the snap swivel either not doing what it’s supposed to do or breaking completely with a fish 

[cyclops2]

If you fish in decent moving water from the shore ? Remove the lure. Close the snap. Get the line into the current. Let out enough line that is twisted. 

There is a reason they are called Spinning Reels.  Why level winding bait casting reels are still so popular. 

 

I go all day sometimes with the soft braid loaded with twists. When I am finished for the day.  I open the bail & walk out more line than I was casting with.  Yes it removes the twisted line.............................BUT............... I am twisting the line as I wind it all back on.  I  can live with twisted line all day. Does not bother me or the fish.   ?

[cheezyridr]

i'll use a snap swivel if i'm throwing a wopper plopper or similar.  if i was fishing from a boat, i'd be throwing more crankbaits, and i'd use one then because then i wouldn't have to re tie as much. right now i fish from the bank, so i rarely throw crankbaits.