bfs casting technique BFS Casting Reel Setup

[ATA]

Guys I do only side cast with my BFS combos and I am pretty good at it, But sometimes you need to backhand/underhand cast, Really want to do backhand/underhand casting and another fancy casting that this Japanese anglers doing. I have really problem with backlashing in that case. I haven't seen any English clip that explain about those techniques.

I am sure there is a fine tune of spool tension and break setting to cast those ways with no backlash and I am sure it os day and night different with normal reels(Because I tried that). I am talking about usually 1/16oz lures and rarely 1/8oz lures. Please help me by sharing your secrets.

I am going to start practice day and night in home and at lakes.

 

 

[GreenPig]

 He can do it , you can do it.

[FryDog62]

Hard to tell but yeah, he’s probably got it tuned pretty well for that technique. Who knows it might be a 1/8 oz or heavier lure too. If you notice he has the lure reeled up close to the tip and really loads the rod up, then down and finally outwards to generate quick momentum. Could be reeled up close to reduce line slap upon snap/release and less chance to lash. 
 

I’ve never tried to flip, or have felt the need to, on my BFS set ups. They roll cast so easily short distances and are accurate. I have done some of the backhand, side arm casts when at an angle to avoid branches or people behind me in my backswing... didn’t really have to adjust anything on the reel for that. But it’s less of a snap like the guy underhand flipping in the video. I think for that you’d need to do some fine tuning.
 

For me personally, I don’t want to be fussing with adjustments constantly. If I were flipping for an extended period sure, but if I can roll cast without taking the time to adjust makes more sense to me. A 1/16 oz lure hits the water pretty softly anyway, thus lessening the need to flip anyway.
 

I’ve noticed in some of the BFS videos they try to do some fancy techniques maybe just to show how skilled/versatile they can be. Some of it seems for stunt value and not always practical in the reel world. I think a well executed roll cast can be just as cool to watch as anything and way more practical IMO.

[ATA]

Thats just a sample of one of the techniques , Ive seen Japanese doing it with real 1/16oz. and other ways as well. the other one called spiral casting.

[JustJames]

I can see why you need those techniques when wading around stream with tree and brushes all around you. 
I think the closet one that might be able to help you in US  is hobie one kanobi. He always post in TT forum and have his own YouTube channel.

Rod and lure selection is very important in this situation. 

I got the same rod he is using in this video Tsurinoya Ares, the whole solid blank. His is 4’7 mine is 5’6. It is a shame, I haven’t never used that rod since I got it. Where I plan to use this rod.

 

[Bass Rutten]

4 hours ago, GreenPig said:

 He can do it , you can do it.

Famous last words! ?

[papajoe222]

Can you backhand, or underhand with a standard casting reel? If you can and you can also cast sidearm with your BFS combo, I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to master either one fairly quickly.  Don't change your technique. A nice, smooth pendulum allowing the rod to load is the key. Just like a standard casting reel, when you attempt to over power the cast, you're asking for trouble.

[redmeansdistortion]

I cast like this often since I'm usually fishing way back in the spinach like the Japanese do.  Michigan trout streams and in general those in the northeastern portion of the US can be very overgrown, making rods over 6' a bit of a chore to use in many circumstances.  

 

It isn't an overly difficult technique to learn, but you'll be better served using a rod under 5'6".  The most important thing is adjusting your brake.  I use a higher brake setting than I would for side, backhand, and overhead casts.  You're trying to get the rod to load in a shorter motion which means more force on your part.  Secondly is the timing, which is the harder part of it.  You want to release the spool as you're initiating the forward motion of the cast.  After practicing a bit you'll get a feel for when to release the spool just as you would any other technique.  

[islandbass]

Theoretically, casting mechanics, principles are the same regardless of what you’re tossing OR the plane in which you make your cast. A side arm cast is the same as an overhand cast. They’re just occurring in a different plane. Same with an underhand cast. 
 

Yes, it’s that simple. The first few seconds of that video prove my point. That cast is essentially an inverted overhand cast. Prove me wrong, lol. 
 

Joking aside, and as one who has been guilty of overthinking a lot (steadily worsens in winter), keep it simple. If you can cast even a standard set up overhand, or sidearm, then you should be able to execute that underhand cast BFS or not. Period. ‘Nuff said, so get it done. ? 

[redmeansdistortion]

Here's a great video that shows the underhanded cast beautifully executed.  Granted, he is using a glass rod but a more moderate action graphite or carbon rod should be able to achieve similar results.

 

https://youtu.be/ujmub9cW4tQ?t=119

[JustJames]

If I were you and if I were gonna fish stream I would…

im not gonna worry about your reel since I know you have plenty that can handle this type of fishing, but should start with stronger brake and a little bit spool tension at first. Once you feel comfortable, you don’t need any spool tension but keep brake high.

choose the rod shorter than 5’ with moderate action. The Tsurinoya ares have slow action I believe. Shorter rod would be easier to load and easier for underhand cast.

 

choose the lure in 1/8oz or even higher as long as it make me load the rod easier. There are plenty of good 1/8oz 1.5” length lure that can catch trout.

 

choose the line, in this case I would go 6lb mono. I know trout is line shy but with moving lure it might not be so bad. Smaller line or braid might cast better but it is also harder to control.

From what I see in video, it is all about wrist movement. The most important thing is loading the rod, next would be releasing point. Have you ever do parallel side arm cast where you swirl the lure and cast? It should be the same concept.

I know it is easier to type than doing it, but practice make perfect. I can only do backhand cast both hand, underhand skip but to master this gonna be tough as hell. Btw forget all about lob easy cast on BFS, that only work for trout magnet lol.

I hope you do well man. I’m really appreciate ppl that use the gear for its potential. I know I haven’t and it is such a waste.

 

[redmeansdistortion]

1 hour ago, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

choose the rod shorter than 5’ with moderate action. The Tsurinoya ares have slow action I believe. Shorter rod would be easier to load and easier for underhand cast.

Rod length makes all the difference.  I fish with a 4'10" and even that can be a bit much for some situations I get into, but it's definitely workable all around.

[JustJames]

Just for a heck, I decided to try the rod casting cd3 1/8oz (no hook) under trailer in the manner you mentioned. Given that I used the wrong reel Curado 70 instead of pixy (magnetic should control better than centrifugal) I still can manage about 25’ on some casts no backlash. It definitely harder when underhand cast than sideways cast. I have to bring the lure all the way to rod tip for smooth loading. You will have to time the right moment for releasing when lure spring back.

Rod action, this rod can definitely get the job done with lure lighter than 1/8oz. If you want I will sell mine but 5’6 though. 

You might already seen this.

 

[new2BC4bass]

I can believe timing is critical on the Spiral Cast.  I can side arm roll cast fairly accurately.  I tried incorporating it into my overhead cast.  I see now that I should call it an Overhead Spiral Cast.     Quite a bit more difficult to be accurate.  It's all in the timing.

 

I originally tried the cast (overhead roll/spiral/arc cast) to smooth out my casting stroke.  Whenever I visit Florida and fish with my B-I-L I have to change my casting stroke.  I often found my back cast to be very abrupt which led to backlashes.  Takes awhile to get used to changing my back cast.  Adding the roll smooths it out right away, but accuracy takes a hit.

 

EDIT:  The roll on the overhead cast is much smaller than the side arm cast.  Just a little to help smooth out the cast.