Do the number of guides make a difference?

[FrankN209]

Just a simple question. Do more guides mean a better rod? My exprides have 9 and my new phenix has 12. 

[spokey9]

The spacing of the guides is more important then overall number in my opinion.

[WRB]

Rods with micro guides are closer together and more are needed to keep the line from touching the rod blank. 

The type of rod matters like casting vs spinning and length etc.

Tom

 

[jimmyjoe]

     It's much more important that the rod has been designed well and the guides have been installed by someone who understands the rod. The idea is to distribute stress.

    Higher priced rods usually qualify for that. Cheap ones, perhaps not so much.        jj

[papajoe222]

The number of guides used should be based upon the flex of the rod and where it flexes the most. Ideally, the reasoning is to use as few as possible placing them so the line never touches the rod blank. That reasoning isn't logical because if that were the only criteria, a spinning rod would only have two guides. Most rod builders will place guides so the angle of the line is as low as possible as it passes through the guides when the rod is flexed and there is no contact between the blank and line.

Using that reasoning, short or stiff rods require fewer guides than a long flexible one.  Thus the same length rods may differ in the number of guides and their placement.

[Columbia Craw]

No.

[MickD]

More than what?  Depends on how many you're starting with in the comparison.  What I mean is that you can have too few to optimally distribute the stress, but once that is satisified more guides will make little or no difference.  I build my own and the old rule of thumb is to put onto the blank the number of guides equal to the length, + 1, + the tiptop.  I usually use the number equal to the length + 2 + the tiptop.

 

Except on casting rods that I build with the micro guides on top, then I may have + 3 or 4.  Is the new Phenix a casting rod built on top with micros?  If yes, that is why it has so many.  

[FrankN209]

54 minutes ago, MickD said:

More than what?  Depends on how many you're starting with in the comparison.  What I mean is that you can have too few to optimally distribute the stress, but once that is satisified more guides will make little or no difference.  I build my own and the old rule of thumb is to put onto the blank the number of guides equal to the length, + 1, + the tiptop.  I usually use the number equal to the length + 2 + the tiptop.

 

Except on casting rods that I build with the micro guides on top, then I may have + 3 or 4.  Is the new Phenix a casting rod built on top with micros?  If yes, that is why it has so many.  

No, they are not micros. 

[MickD]

2 hours ago, FrankN209 said:

No, they are not micros. 

Not sure why then.  thanks, 

[FrankN209]

2 hours ago, MickD said:

Not sure why then.  thanks, 

Thanks for your help. 

[FrankN209]

This rod seems heavy and tip heavy. Even with my SV103HL , it's still tip heavy. Is 4.8oz "normal" for this size of a rod? 

[kayaking_kev]

4 hours ago, FrankN209 said:

This rod seems heavy and tip heavy. Even with my SV103HL , it's still tip heavy. Is 4.8oz "normal" for this size of a rod? 

 

You never specified a rod. Did you get the Expride Heavy or Extra Heavy Power Rod? I think it's the XH that weighs 4.8 oz, but either or they don't compare to Phenix in weight. A Phenix XH weighs around 4 oz., but the Expride is likely a lot more powerful.

 

But, to answer your question, if it is the XH Expride then 4.8 is rather good for that power.

[FrankN209]

6 hours ago, kayaking_kev said:

 

You never specified a rod. Did you get the Expride Heavy or Extra Heavy Power Rod? I think it's the XH that weighs 4.8 oz, but either or they don't compare to Phenix in weight. A Phenix XH weighs around 4 oz., but the Expride is likely a lot more powerful.

 

But, to answer your question, if it is the XH Expride then 4.8 is rather good for that power.

It's in the first post. But thanks.