Has Anyone Noticed?

[Mobasser]

I've used a few different spinning reel brands over the years. Shimano, older ABU ( cardinal) Lews, and Diawa.                                      In a thread by Northern Basser, he mentioned his new Shimano reel. The reel stems on the new Shimanos are shorter and a slightly different angle than the older ones.                                                 I have a newer Sahara which is this way also. This hasn't bothered me, but I've heard others complain about the shorter stem. Some guys with large hands have stated that the short stem is uncomfortable to use, and the bail actually hits they're knuckles on retrieve.                         My Sahara cast light baits better than any other spin reel I have, and I think it's due to the angle of the reel stem.                       The angle puts the spool in more direct alignment with the first guide on the rod, and seems to aid in casting distance, especially with lighter baits.                       Some reel stems are longer, and it's a little more of reach to pick up the line before your cast. This also causes the line to enter the first guide at a lower angle.                                                 It may be a very small amount, but the shorter stem seems to cast lighter baits better.                                                           This is just an obsevation, and there's probably more going on here,( line lay, spool size, and guide diameter) that can make a difference.                                                    Has anyone ever noticed this, or have you ever thought about this before?

Edited October 5, 2021 by Mobasser
Please delete this post. Same topic already covered

[roadwarrior]

3 hours ago, Mobasser said:

 Has anyone ever noticed this, or have you ever thought about this before?

 

   No.

[MN Fisher]

I haven't had that issue.

[WRB]

The older Shimano Stradic 2500 vs the newer Vanford 2500 the reel stems are the same length reel seat to spool or distance from the under side of rod the bail.

The difference is the Vanford is longer overcall do to the longer long cast spool. It appears Shimano started the reel stem bend about 3/16” shorter; 3/4” for the Stradic and 9/16” for the Vanford off set the difference in reel length.

Since I use spinning rods with handle design with extended fore grip like the new SC Victory handle.

My rod grip is the pinky finger in the stem bend, 3 finger in front because thic allow me better cast control, better rod/reel balance and ease of finger line feel for strike detection. 

I also don’t use a white knuckle grip so no issues with 1000 to 2500 size spinning reels, don’t need anything larger.

Tom

 

 

[bulldog1935]

I guess 3rd time is a charm for this topic.

I don't have a mid-size Shimano frame, but here's a small frame Vanquish 2000

and the large frame on my Stradic 5000

Neither one looks as short or sharply bent as Vanford - magnesium frame and aluminum frame v. plastic composite Vanford

 

 

If you watch TackleAdvisor's youtubes, you always see him bending the foot on plastic reels.  Shimano may have (probably, certainly, without question) intentionally shaped the Vanford Ci4+ foot this way (along with all their other reinforced plastic reels) to improve strength and stiffness. 

^^^This ^^^

[jimmyjoe]

   Alan Hawk has commented in the past about spinning reels that have the axis of the spool aimed at the stripper guide vs. ones that don't. I don't remember which brands and models were under discussion.

   I myself have noticed line hitting the stripper guide unevenly in the past. I didn't like it.     jj

[Team9nine]

Just saw this topic, and thought it was interesting because I just picked up a couple new spinning reels (Favorite 2000 series) and ran into this where it seemed like I just keep grazing my knuckles with the bail arm on retrieve - just enough to be annoying. Went to the garage and measured after reading this, and lo and behold, the bail arm is about 5-6 mm closer to the rod blank/foregrip on these reels than either my Daiwa, Shimano or Pfluegers on the same rods. Doesn't look any different from angle or frame length vs. the others just looking at it, but my knuckles know it is - lol. 

[JustJames]

Which Sahara do you have?

my Sahara 750 FB cast very comparable to any 1000-2000 size reel given that it is very tiny spool. From what I understanding old Sahara use lower oscillation gear compare to newer reel with crossX or Xwrap technology. The low oscillation make line lay in uniform pattern instead of X pattern and take more revolutions of rotor to change direction. That might help the line come off the spool better and doesn’t lost a lot of energy when direction changed.

 

[Mobasser]

47 minutes ago, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

Which Sahara do you have?

my Sahara 750 FB cast very comparable to any 1000-2000 size reel given that it is very tiny spool. From what I understanding old Sahara use lower oscillation gear compare to newer reel with crossX or Xwrap technology. The low oscillation make line lay in uniform pattern instead of X pattern and take more revolutions of rotor to change direction. That might help the line come off the spool better and doesn’t lost a lot of energy when direction changed.

 

Mine is a 2500 fi

[Boomstick]

On 10/5/2021 at 10:29 AM, Mobasser said:

Some guys with large hands have stated that the short stem is uncomfortable to use, and the bail actually hits they're knuckles on retrieve

I had experienced this issue with the Ci4+ myself.

[MAN]

On 10/5/2021 at 9:29 AM, Mobasser said:

I've used a few different spinning reel brands over the years. Shimano, older ABU ( cardinal) Lews, and Diawa.                                      In a thread by Northern Basser, he mentioned his new Shimano reel. The reel stems on the new Shimanos are shorter and a slightly different angle than the older ones.                                                 I have a newer Sahara which is this way also. This hasn't bothered me, but I've heard others complain about the shorter stem. Some guys with large hands have stated that the short stem is uncomfortable to use, and the bail actually hits they're knuckles on retrieve.                         My Sahara cast light baits better than any other spin reel I have, and I think it's due to the angle of the reel stem.                       The angle puts the spool in more direct alignment with the first guide on the rod, and seems to aid in casting distance, especially with lighter baits.                       Some reel stems are longer, and it's a little more of reach to pick up the line before your cast. This also causes the line to enter the first guide at a lower angle.                                                 It may be a very small amount, but the shorter stem seems to cast lighter baits better.                                                           This is just an obsevation, and there's probably more going on here,( line lay, spool size, and guide diameter) that can make a difference.                                                    Has anyone ever noticed this, or have you ever thought about this before?

As a spinning reel developer I can honestly say this has never even been talked about during the development process...but maybe it should be.  

[CrankFate]

The closer to the rod, the better a spinning reel will cast. Yes, this should be considered. It’s the most obvious flaw in most spinning reels, especially as you go back in time to older reels.

[bulldog1935]

not completely true - especially with stiff mono, line slap on the blank is the same as feathering your cast on purpose. 

I picked this rod for example - even with its tiny guides, it casts great - the first guide does all the work. 

 

Way back, my Mitchell 300 with 14-lb BigGame was terrible about line slap on 7' inshore Berkley TriSport, which had big-diameter guides for the "line cone" approach. 

[desmobob]

On 10/5/2021 at 7:48 PM, jimmyjoe said:

   Alan Hawk has commented in the past about spinning reels that have the axis of the spool aimed at the stripper guide vs. ones that don't. I don't remember which brands and models were under discussion.

   I myself have noticed line hitting the stripper guide unevenly in the past. I didn't like it.     jj

 

I have some spinning reels that are designed to be used on short (24") ice fishing rods and they are noticeably angled up to aim the spool at the first guide, which is pretty close to the reel on these really short spinning rods.

 

Edited to add photo...

You can see the extreme angle here:

 

A conventional spinning reel doesn't work very well on these short rods because it lacks that feature.  The angled vs. not angled reel on conventional length rods might not be that noticeable but I'd guess it would have some affect on performance.

[GetFishorDieTryin]

I think what really matter when it comes to distance is the angle of the reel foot relative to the guides.  The design of the reel seat can have an effect as well.  Although line slap effects distance, in my experience its only by a very small fraction maybe 5 feet on a 60 yd cast.  Honestly its more annoying then it is detrimental to casting distance for practical purposes.  

[PaulVE64]

Alan Hawk convinced me to buy the Daiwa BG. I have the 3000 and the 2500)  my other reels are an older 3500 Phleuger President and a 3500 xt  phlueger, 1000 Revros LT, 2500 Sienna, an old Abu Cardinal, 2500  Laguna LT, and others not being used.

 

The 2 BG , and the Presidents are my fav to use for river smallies, walleye, pike, LMB, Drum and catfish.

 

 

[PressuredFishing]

On 10/5/2021 at 7:29 AM, Mobasser said:

I've used a few different spinning reel brands over the years. Shimano, older ABU ( cardinal) Lews, and Diawa.                                      In a thread by Northern Basser, he mentioned his new Shimano reel. The reel stems on the new Shimanos are shorter and a slightly different angle than the older ones.                                                 I have a newer Sahara which is this way also. This hasn't bothered me, but I've heard others complain about the shorter stem. Some guys with large hands have stated that the short stem is uncomfortable to use, and the bail actually hits they're knuckles on retrieve.                         My Sahara cast light baits better than any other spin reel I have, and I think it's due to the angle of the reel stem.                       The angle puts the spool in more direct alignment with the first guide on the rod, and seems to aid in casting distance, especially with lighter baits.                       Some reel stems are longer, and it's a little more of reach to pick up the line before your cast. This also causes the line to enter the first guide at a lower angle.                                                 It may be a very small amount, but the shorter stem seems to cast lighter baits better.                                                           This is just an obsevation, and there's probably more going on here,( line lay, spool size, and guide diameter) that can make a difference.                                                    Has anyone ever noticed this, or have you ever thought about this before?

Have not had this happen to me