Couldn’t tell difference between my cheaper and more expensive rod….

[WRB]

This a subjective subject depending on individual skill levels and strike detection ability. Rods are not sensitive, finger tips are! 

You can’t buy ability, it’s comes with practice and your specific skill level. We are not the same or will reach the same skill sets regarding strike detection.

If a less expensive rod feels right to you it’s the right rod for you. Thinking buying a high end more expensive rod will improve your skill level is foolish. It’s like buying a formula 1 race car that can reach speeds over 250 mph and you don’t have the skill to drive over 100 mph, the cars speed is wasted.

It’s not the car it’s the driver skill that counts. It’s not the rod it’s the angler skill that counts.

If you believe you detect every strike that occurs during your time on the water you with highend rods are fooling yourself.

Tom

[Captain Phil]

On 9/26/2021 at 3:52 AM, WRB said:

This a subjective subject depending on individual skill levels and strike detection ability. Rods are not sensitive, finger tips are!

 

Spot on!  An expensive rod in the hands of an inexperienced fisherman won't make that much difference.  My $50 rods caught a lot of fish for a long time.  The advantage of better rods is in the lightness of the rod and how it's made.  My Zodias rod feels like it's made out of air.  The blank runs down into a composite handle, transmitting the slightest movement in the bait.  If I don't know what that means, another fish is going to make a fool out of me. Learn to fish first, then decide what you need.

[ATA]

For me it is day and night when I use my dobyns and my conquest, when I use dobyns after about 15 casts to 50 casts (depending on lure weight) I need to rest, But with my conquest I have record of 4 hours non stop casting same lure (ned rig and Texas rig), when I said non stop, I mean it .

the reason for me is my hand injury that killing me when I use cheaper rods which they are heavier.

the other factor would be when I am casting and sensitivity which is also day and night deferent, with high end rod you'll feel every gravel and rock and sand and mod you passing and when you getting bite you can feel it very much better.

you know? Maybe you won't believe me but when I have braided line and I am passing any kind of grass,And that grass rubbing against my line I can feel the vibration of grass on my line by my rod.(when line is tight). 

 

[T-Billy]

Balance matters more than overall weight to me. I balance all my rods with those slip on furniture feet filled with the appropriate amount of lead. 

I want them to balance on my middle finger when I open my hand. Makes a big difference in feel and reducing fatigue. 

[roadwarrior]

https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Okuma_Psycho_Stick_Casting_Rods/descpage-OPSCYC.html

 

New guy on the block. At the pricing point this is a GREAT rod!

 

[Boomstick]

8 hours ago, MN Fisher said:

Maybe next fall - this fall/winter's budget is for the boat.

Honestly what I would do in your case is since you have a full line of Fury rods, pick up a few higher end rods for throwing T-Rigs, jigs and finesse.

 

I'll throw a spinnerbait all day on a Fury or something similar.

[MN Fisher]

5 minutes ago, Boomstick said:

Honestly what I would do in your case is since you have a full line of Fury rods, pick up a few higher end rods for throwing T-Rigs, jigs and finesse.

Only half my rods are Furys - 702SF, 703SF, 703C, 704C, 705CB

702SF is my finesse rod, 704C is my T-Rig/Jig rod

Others

Two Okuma Relexions - both spinning: ML/MF, MH/F

Two Aird-X - both casting: MH/F, H/F

One Procyon - L/F

8 minutes ago, Boomstick said:

I'll throw a spinnerbait all day on a Fury or something similar.

The Aird-X MH/F is my moving baits rod.

 

I might be able to free the money for a Fury 765FLIP - put the Aird-X H/F for frogs/topwater only - but that'd be about it this year.

 

My budget any year is VERY lean - this year it's especially tight with the boat work I need to do.

[ironbjorn]

At the beginning of the season I cranked for hours at a time using a Fury with a broken right hand. I had to hold the rod with just my middle, pointer, and thumb. It wasn't too heavy and I didn't need to rest. Sure, it hurt, but the pain was worth it to me. No wasted time in my world. I've never felt handicapped in the sensitivity department with my Fury and Sierra series rods. Then I upgraded to all Sierra and Kaden, and as of a week ago I own my first Champion. The Champion is on another level with its sensitivity, far more sensitive than my Sierra and Kaden rods, which are more than sensitive enough to me.

 

"Heavy" and sensitivity is as subjective as it can get apparently. 

[Boomstick]

31 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

Only half my rods are Furys - 702SF, 703SF, 703C, 704C, 705CB

For some reason I thought you had like a dozen Furys. Sounds like you have most of the important ones other than the 735C too.

 

32 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

My budget any year is VERY lean - this year it's especially tight with the boat work I need to do.

 

I hear you there.

[bgaviator]

17 hours ago, dodgeguy said:

Not. My Sierra microguide is plenty sensitive and I'm 62 with nerve damage in my hands.

What line are you using ? Mono ? Flouro ? Braid ? If you are using any mono other than Sufix Advance its like fishing with a rubber band. Flouro and braid are much more sensitive.

Just the mono that came spooled on my Zebco Bullet reel 

[WRB]

25 minutes ago, bgaviator said:

Just the mono that came spooled on my Zebco Bullet reel 

Zebco Bullet reel.....13.4 oz spincast. I am done.

Tom

[bgaviator]

27 minutes ago, WRB said:

Zebco Bullet reel.....13.4 oz spincast. I am done.

Tom

It is quite fatiguing to hold after a short time. 

[T-Billy]

1 hour ago, MN Fisher said:

I might be able to free the money for a Fury 765FLIP

If you're not dead set on a Dobyns, check out the Ark Tharp series for just a few dollars more. My King Cobra has the same power as my 766 Sierra, only slightly faster, and is more sensitive and better balanced. Offshore Special should be pretty similar to a 765.

[Team9nine]

25 minutes ago, WRB said:

Zebco Bullet reel.....13.4 oz spincast. I am done.

Tom

 

Three pages and 60 responses later just to get to this finding - ? I think we can lock this thread now before it goes too far south...or someone gets hurt  ? 

[bgaviator]

4 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

 

Three pages and 60 responses later just to get to this finding - ? I think we can lock this thread now before it goes too far south...or someone gets hurt  ? 

Ok so what guys are gonna rip on me now for using a Bullet?  My question was about rods. I get it, everyone hates spincast reels and think they’re a joke. But I just wanted something easy to get into fishing with. I’m comfortable with spincasts and I intend on buying a baitcast at some point but I’m just not ready to. 

[WRB]

31 minutes ago, bgaviator said:

It is quite fatiguing to hold after a short time. 

The reel is too heavy sitting on top of your rod current rod and should be coupled with a pistol grip type casting rod.

The rods you have are designed for bait casting reels weighing about 6 to 8 oz.

Contact Dobyns to see if the will exchange for a open face spinning reel, lots of choices under $100.

Live and learn.

Tom

PS, Berkley Pistol grip 6’ Lightning rod is $40 and a good choice for your reel.

[Team9nine]

14 minutes ago, bgaviator said:

Ok so what guys are gonna rip on me now for using a Bullet?  My question was about rods. I get it, everyone hates spincast reels and think they’re a joke. But I just wanted something easy to get into fishing with. I’m comfortable with spincasts and I intend on buying a baitcast at some point but I’m just not ready to. 

 

Absolutely nothing wrong with spincast or underspin reels at all. We’ve just about all used them, and some still do. But weight especially, and to a certain degree balance, are critical keys to sensitivity. So adding a nearly 1 pound reel that sits high on the rod is going to kill much of the sensitivity you are looking to gain by purchasing a more expensive rod. It’s more about helping you save your time and money until your setup is better able to detect those subtle differences you want to achieve. Just so happened no one asked about your reel choices with this outfit.

[MN Fisher]

11 minutes ago, WRB said:

The reel is too heavy sitting on top of your rod current rod and should be coupled with a pistol grip type casting rod.

The rods you have are designed for bait casting reels weighing about 6 to 8 oz.

Contact Dobyns to see if the will exchange for a open face spinning reel, lots of choices under $100.

Live and learn.

Tom

^ What Tom said

 

A spincast reel should be on a spincast rod - they're designed for it and work much better.

[bgaviator]

3 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

^ What Tom said

 

A spincast reel should be on a spincast rod - they're designed for it and work much better.

But don’t push button spincasts like the Bullet need a “casting” rod and not a “spinning” rod?  I thought spinning rods were just for open faced spinning reels?  

[MN Fisher]

4 minutes ago, bgaviator said:

But don’t push button spincasts like the Bullet need a “casting” rod and not a “spinning” rod?  I thought spinning rods were just for open faced spinning reels?  

There are three rod types

Spinning - for spinning reels

Casting - for baitcasters

Spincast - for spincast reels...yes, they have their own rod style

 

This is a spincast rod

[bgaviator]

6 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

There are three rod types

Spinning - for spinning reels

Casting - for baitcasters

Spincast - for spincast reels...yes, they have their own rod style

 

This is a spincast rod

I have never seen rods on Bass Pro or Tackle Warehouse listed as just “spincast rods”. There’s either just “casting” or “spinning”. I thought my Zebco Bullet needed a casting rod. Any spincast combo setups I see are using rods just like mine with the spincast sitting on top. Now I’m confused…

[MN Fisher]

12 minutes ago, bgaviator said:

I have never seen rods on Bass Pro or Tackle Warehouse listed as just “spincast rods”. There’s either just “casting” or “spinning”. I thought my Zebco Bullet needed a casting rod. Any spincast combo setups I see are using rods just like mine with the spincast sitting on top. Now I’m confused…

They may look similar, but the reel seat is slightly different for spincast vs casting.

 

Finding a place that sells spincast rods alone is a little tricky - mostly they're sold as part of a combo.

[ironbjorn]

28 minutes ago, bgaviator said:

I have never seen rods on Bass Pro or Tackle Warehouse listed as just “spincast rods”. There’s either just “casting” or “spinning”. I thought my Zebco Bullet needed a casting rod. Any spincast combo setups I see are using rods just like mine with the spincast sitting on top. Now I’m confused…

I'm sure they exist, but I personally don't know of any leading manufacturers in the bass world who makes spincast rods. Again I'm sure they exist, but I never see them marketed because spincast and bass (and so much of fishing actually) don't really go hand in hand. You might get some jokes thrown your way but nobody will outright make fun of you for using a spincast reel. Most of us started that way - albeit as kids. A quality baitcasting reel will have you casting with ease on day one with proper brakes and spool tension settings applied.

[MN Fisher]

3 minutes ago, ironbjorn said:

I'm sure they exist, but I personally don't know of any leading manufacturers in the bass world who makes spincast rods. Again I'm sure they exist, but I never see them marketed because spincast and bass (and so much of fishing actually) don't really go hand in hand. You might get some jokes thrown your way but nobody will outright make fun of you for using a spincast reel. Most of us started that way - albeit as kids. A quality baitcasting reel will have you casting with ease on day one with proper brakes and spool tension settings applied.

Pretty much you have to look to Zebco, Shakespeare and Eagle Claw for spincast rods.

 

Direct from manufacturer - or Walmart carries a few models.

[WRB]

Pistol grip rods are used for spin cast reels, read my post scrip. Berkley Lightning 6’ Pistol grip rods are sold by several discount companies like Dicks Sporting Goods, $40.

Spin cast reels are not popular with the majority of bass anglers, but make a good entry level reel to learn to cast with.

If you Google search “Pistol Grip Rods” Several are available.

Now I am done with this thread.

Tom