Super User Cgolf Posted September 26, 2021 Super User Posted September 26, 2021 16 hours ago, evo2s197 said: The 7ft1 mh xfast will have a softer tip, its almost hinge like, then gets into a stiff backbone, the first 12 inches is pretty soft. 13 hours ago, padon said: the 71 medium would be good with 1/4 ounce spinnerbaits. you haveto be careful with st.croix rods. they feel stiff in the store but once you get a reel and a lure on them the tip softens up pretty good. So I just took out my Avid X 6' 6" MH fast and my prodigy 7" MH Moderate and sensitivity the Avid won the day, but by a small margin. As far as casting I was more comfortable with the Prodigy. I could do everything with both just easier with the moderate Prodigy. I think this comes down to personal casting styles. I grew up casting fiberglass and moderate action rods and I also fly fish. My casting motion likely gets the same velocity as many, but my acceleration is slow and gradual which I think suits a more moderate rod. Someone that casts with a quicker accelaration will do better with a faster rod. I don't feel that I load the Avid as efficiently as I do the prodigy. For me I need a medium heavy rod with a medium tip. I think this is why I like Dobyns rods for the 3 I have and the 6 St Croixs, still on the fence about the Avid X, is that I bought actions that suit my casting style. I may pick up a Dobyns 1/4 to 1 Kaden and a victory medium heavy moderate over the holidays for next year. One of the two will become my spinnerbait rod or who knows maybe the MH prodigy will win the day. The above blurb though is why I suggested to the OP to try different rods if possible before they buy or to stick to one brand and learn their ratings to make the next purchase easier. We are all different in how we fish.
bgaviator Posted September 26, 2021 Author Posted September 26, 2021 Thanks for all the input. I’m still new to this. I just got into this last year as something to do during Covid. But I’ve really grown to like it. I promise I’ll get a baitcaster at some point. I don’t know why I’m so hesitant. Maybe it’s just laziness on my part. I just wanted to get something in that was already spooled up and ready to throw on a rod and go fish. I don’t just target bass. I’m happy to catch anything. So that’s why I figured a Zebco would suffice for me. I enjoy fishing with it albeit it is super heavy and fatiguing to hold after a short while. Sorry I wasn’t up front with what my reel was in combination with my rods.
NavyToad Posted September 26, 2021 Posted September 26, 2021 Cut yourself some slack and just keep fishing. You made a wise decision upgrading to a Dobyns Fury. I’ve bought rods that made me question my decision when I first used them, but after using them for awhile I ended up loving them. Comparing the lure weight rating on both of your rods might explain the difference in casting distance between your 2 rods. A medium action rod will generally throw lighter weights better than a medium heavy action rod. Rods enable you to catch fish, but they won’t make you a better fisherman no matter how much your rod costs. , 4
ironbjorn Posted September 26, 2021 Posted September 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, bgaviator said: Thanks for all the input. I’m still new to this. I just got into this last year as something to do during Covid. But I’ve really grown to like it. I promise I’ll get a baitcaster at some point. I don’t know why I’m so hesitant. Maybe it’s just laziness on my part. I just wanted to get something in that was already spooled up and ready to throw on a rod and go fish. I don’t just target bass. I’m happy to catch anything. So that’s why I figured a Zebco would suffice for me. I enjoy fishing with it albeit it is super heavy and fatiguing to hold after a short while. Sorry I wasn’t up front with what my reel was in combination with my rods. Nothing to apologize for. You didn't know that the reel was the culprit. My suggestion: take advantage of Dobyns trade in program. Trade in your casting Fury for a spinning Fury or Sierra in the 3 power. Get a Daiwa Legalis, Shimano Sahara, or Shimano NASCI spinning reel. You'll be much happier until you want to try casting gear. Spooling is easy and takes just a few minutes.
Super User Cgolf Posted September 26, 2021 Super User Posted September 26, 2021 14 minutes ago, bgaviator said: Thanks for all the input. I’m still new to this. I just got into this last year as something to do during Covid. But I’ve really grown to like it. I promise I’ll get a baitcaster at some point. I don’t know why I’m so hesitant. Maybe it’s just laziness on my part. I just wanted to get something in that was already spooled up and ready to throw on a rod and go fish. I don’t just target bass. I’m happy to catch anything. So that’s why I figured a Zebco would suffice for me. I enjoy fishing with it albeit it is super heavy and fatiguing to hold after a short while. Sorry I wasn’t up front with what my reel was in combination with my rods. No worries, baitcasters definetly have a learning curve, and the cheaper ones are probably more difficult to cast and not backlash. Personally on the lower end of things I have done well with daiwa reels as there cast controls do a failry good job of preventing backlashes. Spincasting was the best way to learn and kept the backlash frustrations away which may have taken away from your enjoyment of the pasttime we all love.
padon Posted September 26, 2021 Posted September 26, 2021 1 hour ago, cgolf said: So I just took out my Avid X 6' 6" MH fast and my prodigy 7" MH Moderate and sensitivity the Avid won the day, but by a small margin. As far as casting I was more comfortable with the Prodigy. I could do everything with both just easier with the moderate Prodigy. I think this comes down to personal casting styles. I grew up casting fiberglass and moderate action rods and I also fly fish. My casting motion likely gets the same velocity as many, but my acceleration is slow and gradual which I think suits a more moderate rod. Someone that casts with a quicker accelaration will do better with a faster rod. I don't feel that I load the Avid as efficiently as I do the prodigy. For me I need a medium heavy rod with a medium tip. I think this is why I like Dobyns rods for the 3 I have and the 6 St Croixs, still on the fence about the Avid X, is that I bought actions that suit my casting style. I may pick up a Dobyns 1/4 to 1 Kaden and a victory medium heavy moderate over the holidays for next year. One of the two will become my spinnerbait rod or who knows maybe the MH prodigy will win the day. The above blurb though is why I suggested to the OP to try different rods if possible before they buy or to stick to one brand and learn their ratings to make the next purchase easier. We are all different in how we fish. no doubt rod action and the type of rod a person uses for each technique is very personal. it can also depend on the type of line you like to use. 1
Valongbeard Posted September 26, 2021 Posted September 26, 2021 Just an opinion and sensitivity is extremely subjective as there is no scientific way to measure it that I know of but at $200 plus is where you start to see big differences. And not all rods in that 200 dollar range are equal but that’s just an opinion too. I will probably get bashed on this but of the rods I have fished including meggabass shimano alx diawa falcon in that under 300 dollar price point the shimano expride for its price is the best bang for the buck with the meggabass orochi series a close second but there heavier rods. Nothing wrong with the fury though I have that I use for big swimbaits. 2
zpelletier Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 7 hours ago, ironbjorn said: My suggestion: take advantage of Dobyns trade in program. Trade in your casting Fury for a spinning Fury or Sierra in the 3 power. Get a Daiwa Legalis, Shimano Sahara, or Shimano NASCI spinning reel. You'll be much happier until you want to try casting gear. Spooling is easy and takes just a few minutes. If you really aren't comfortable spooling Bass Pro can do it for you (or a local tackle shop) 1
The Maestro Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 The sensitivity aspect has been beaten to death in this thread but higher end rods also tend to make accurate casting MUCH easier. There's also something about them (that I've never been able to put my finger on exactly what it is) that makes them feel much more 'lively' in your hands. 1
PaulVE64 Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 St Croix Avid 7 ft Medium w/ fast tip is the bench mark spinning rod. Your rod is either better or not. The better ones are more money though. In my opinion anyway
Super User Catt Posted September 28, 2021 Super User Posted September 28, 2021 19 hours ago, The Maestro said: higher end rods also tend to make accurate casting MUCH easier Really! Please tell us how? Next y'all gonna me if I buy a Shimano G. Loomis Conquest MBR I can out fish KVD! 2 2
Super User fishwizzard Posted September 28, 2021 Super User Posted September 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Catt said: Really! Please tell us how? Next y'all gonna me if I buy a Shimano G. Loomis Conquest MBR I can out fish KVD! I would guess that lower end rods tend to be stiffer over all due to a desire to produce rod that is strong (less warranty/CS issues) and as cheap as possible to produce (lower cost goods tend to have tighter profit margins). You see so so many "whats a durable rod that won't break the bank" posts that it's reasonable to assume that some manufactures prioritize strength above all else in their lower-end offerings. I know the cheaper rods I started out with, Abus and Lews, were vastly stiffer for their rating then the nicer rods moved into.
Super User Catt Posted September 28, 2021 Super User Posted September 28, 2021 24 minutes ago, fishwizzard said: I started out with, Abus and Lews, were vastly stiffer for their rating then the nicer rods moved into. So you're saying if KVD switched from Lews to G. Loomis he would be a better angler? Where y'all get these theories from, it dang sure ain't from facts. 3
Johnbt Posted September 28, 2021 Posted September 28, 2021 "Next y'all gonna me if I buy a Shimano G. Loomis Conquest MBR I can out fish KVD!" I suspect you might need one for each hand to have a sporting chance. I hear he's pretty good. But I've never seen you fish, so who knows. Go for it. 1
Super User fishwizzard Posted September 28, 2021 Super User Posted September 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, Catt said: So you're saying if KVD switched from Lews to G. Loomis he would be a better angler? Where y'all get these theories from, it dang sure ain't from facts. He likely would, yes. Unless bass fishing is different than most every other human endeavor, a better tool will help a skilled user produce a better output. And my theories come from personal experience. I’ve owned very inexpensive rods around some very nice rods and generally agree that higher end rods tend to be easier to cast accurately vs inexpensive rods of similar published specs. 1
Super User Mobasser Posted September 28, 2021 Super User Posted September 28, 2021 It seems like the issue here is that there's no real accurate way to measure all this? What may work well for one guy might not work well for someone else. Quality has improved immensely over the years, and the mid priced rods are way better than they were years ago. And KVD is good- period. There's a lot more going on in his fishing than any rod brand. To borrow a phrase from A-J, " Fish Hard"! And, have fun with your fishing. 3
The Maestro Posted September 28, 2021 Posted September 28, 2021 5 hours ago, Catt said: Really! Please tell us how? Next y'all gonna me if I buy a Shimano G. Loomis Conquest MBR I can out fish KVD! Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying.
Super User Tennessee Boy Posted September 28, 2021 Super User Posted September 28, 2021 I routinely switch between a $420 St Croix Legend XTreme rod and a Lew's rod that I paid $20 for in the 1980s. Both have the same reel attached. When I'm in my garage admiring the qualities of the rods I can tell a difference between the two. When I'm fishing, I'm thinking about what my lure is doing not what my rod is doing and really can't say that I prefer one over the other. I'm not a better angler with the more expensive rod. That's just my opinion. Maybe when I have more experience I'll feel differently. I've only been fishing about 55 years. 2 1
Junk Fisherman Posted September 28, 2021 Posted September 28, 2021 Last fall I bought a Steez spinning rod which blows away every Dobyns rod I own. Pair that Steez rod with braided line (YGK) and my sensitivity is significantly greater than the other rods I use. I catch fish, mostly using a Ned rig, that I know I would not have caught in the past with my Avids or Champions. While it probably is a combination of my improved abilities over the years AND the improved sensitivity of the rod I now use, I am not going to discount the value of the uber-sensitive rod I am using. The rod helps me catch more fish. I'll never go back to anything less than the Steez I am now using for subtle finesse applications. 1
Super User Catt Posted September 28, 2021 Super User Posted September 28, 2021 4 hours ago, fishwizzard said: He likely would, yes. Unless bass fishing is different than most every other human endeavor, a better tool will help a skilled user produce a better output. Then why ain't every Pro out there throw high end tackle? VanDam & Hackney both throw their signature series Lews rods Jason Christie throws his signature series Falcon rods. Guess they don't know what y'all know! 2
Super User bulldog1935 Posted September 28, 2021 Super User Posted September 28, 2021 given to them (in crates) by their sponsors (along with a very generous stipend) They put their signatures on items that can be sold with a very high profit margin, because they get some of that, too. I hope this thing is on. Ultimately, this ain't rocket science, it's fishing. But no reason fishing can't benefit from rocket science. 1
Super User fishwizzard Posted September 28, 2021 Super User Posted September 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, Catt said: Then why ain't every Pro out there throw high end tackle? VanDam & Hackney both throw their signature series Lews rods Jason Christie throws his signature series Falcon rods. Guess they don't know what y'all know! I mean I can’t even tell if you’re serious because the obvious answer is “they use the equipment that they are paid to use and high-end equipment represents a very small percentage of the total fishing market”.
Super User Catt Posted September 28, 2021 Super User Posted September 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, fishwizzard said: they use the equipment that they are paid to use I pretty sure they all understand it ain't the rod, it's who is holding the rod. 10 minutes ago, fishwizzard said: high-end equipment represents a very small percentage of the total fishing market”. Why you think that is? If they were in fact able to make anyone a better angler one would think they would be a larger percentage.
Super User fishwizzard Posted September 28, 2021 Super User Posted September 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Catt said: I pretty sure they all understand it ain't the rod, it's who is holding the rod. Why you think that is? If they were in fact able to make anyone a better angler one would think they would be a larger percentage. You’re making a ridiculous argument, like if what you’re saying is true why does anyone bother to buy anything other than the cheapest product available? Why do musicians spend considerable amounts of money on higher quality instruments? Why isn’t every mechanic out there using nothing but Harbor freight tools? No one is saying still has nothing to do with it but a “better tool in skilled hands will often produce a better result than a cheaper tool in the same hands” isn’t some shockingly controversial statement like you’re making it out to be. You either being deliberately obstinant or suffering from a serious case of sour grapes.
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