SkippinJimmy Posted January 30 Posted January 30 There is a difference between talent and the ability to compete at a pro level on a variety of lakes, targeting a variety of species from Texas to Florida to NY. There are a ton of talented anglers around but that doesn’t mean their success is going to translate when they move to unfamiliar waters or different states. I know a lot of anglers who are “on em” consistently on their home lakes. Let’s see them do on a lake they are unfamiliar with or targeting an unfamiliar species. If the question is “if time, money, etc., etc. were not an issue, could someone be successful on a national level”, I would say absolutely. And that also describes the journey of a typical pro. If the question is could I take a top notch hammer and drop them on tour and expect them to have success, I say highly unlikely. 1
Super User WRB Posted January 30 Super User Posted January 30 My aerospace engineer career allowed my to travel across our country and several others. Most engineers or technical organizations liked to golf I like to fish, I wanted to fish and did for 50 years. You would be surprised that bass behavior doesn’t change much coast to coast, border to border. Catching bass everywhere wasn’t that difficult. Tom 4 1
SkippinJimmy Posted January 30 Posted January 30 44 minutes ago, WRB said: My aerospace engineer career allowed my to travel across our country and several others. Most engineers or technical organizations liked to golf I like to fish, I wanted to fish and did for 50 years. You would be surprised that bass behavior doesn’t change much coast to coast, border to border. Catching bass everywhere wasn’t that difficult. Tom The MLF anglers say hi. Some of the results from their Texas swings are pitiful. It’s less about the behavior and more about knowing the bodies of water. And catching bass is different than competing with elite touring pro’s, most of which have fished the bodies of water for many years.
Super User WRB Posted January 30 Super User Posted January 30 Catching bass on a recreational outing doesn’t compare to tournament competition totally different conditions but the bass behavior doesn’t change your decisions do. Tom 4
SkippinJimmy Posted January 30 Posted January 30 39 minutes ago, WRB said: Catching bass on a recreational outing doesn’t compare to tournament competition totally different conditions but the bass behavior doesn’t change your decisions do. Tom I didn’t disagree and I said so in my post though you may have missed it. It’s not about bass behavior or casting accuracy or any other variables. A lot of anglers possess those skills. It’s about taking a local or regional angler and dropping them on an unfamiliar, 150k acre lake and expecting them to be competitive with elite pro’s who have fished most of the lakes many, many times. I’d bet they wouldn’t have much success on our Texas Team Trail. Could some small number be successful if given the time…sure. But the thought that there are anglers sitting on their couches who could walk in and be successful on a tour like the elites is just classic fisherman talk. 1
Super User WRB Posted January 30 Super User Posted January 30 Agree very few weekend anglers could compete with the Average pro more the once. Tom 2
Super User Swamp Girl Posted January 30 Super User Posted January 30 1 hour ago, WRB said: My aerospace engineer career allowed my to travel across our country and several others. Most engineers or technical organizations liked to golf I like to fish, I wanted to fish and did for 50 years. You would be surprised that bass behavior doesn’t change much coast to coast, border to border. Catching bass everywhere wasn’t that difficult. Tom I don't notice that big a difference when I fish a new pond versus a familiar pond. In May and June, I might catch 20 to 30 bass at a new pond versus 30 to 50 bass at a familiar pond. Wait, I suppose that is a pretty big difference. Never mind. 1
MediumMouthBass Posted January 30 Posted January 30 3 hours ago, SkippinJimmy said: It’s not about bass behavior or casting accuracy or any other variables. A lot of anglers possess those skills. It’s about taking a local or regional angler and dropping them on an unfamiliar, 150k acre lake and expecting them to be competitive with elite pro’s who have fished most of the lakes many, many times. I’d bet they wouldn’t have much success on our Texas Team Trail. I fish a 20 some acre lake, i know the place like the back of my hand. Each year the fishing is completely different, certain baits no longer work, certain colors are all they want, and other times they want everything. Their behavior changes, even if just slightly. A 150k acre lake that someone fished a year or years ago means very little, small changes will eventually be big ones. Will it give them a better reference point for looking to target bass? Yes, but thats not a guarantee since bass move. And since theres so many resources, maps, and the advancements in electronics, makes knowing a lake pretty much null and void today. Heck, i can buy a Garmin tomorrow and buy a chip for it that already has other peoples spots they loaded onto it for certain lakes and fish it like i was a local. And this would be for one costing around $500, imagine what the several thousand dollar setups they have can do. 3 hours ago, SkippinJimmy said: But the thought that there are anglers sitting on their couches who could walk in and be successful on a tour like the elites is just classic fisherman talk. There are several people on this earth that can catch more and bigger fish than elites. These guys are literally throwing money away to see who can catch more 1-3lb bass.... But competition isnt for everyone, nor is the polygraphs, ridiculous rules, new controversial drama each week, spending all day fishing, ruining the fun, eating junk food non stop, flying and driving hundreds of miles constantly, staying in cheap hotel rooms, bankrupting yourself, leaving behind your family, to make very little isnt for most guys. Would any guy be able to walk onto a tour and win? Doubtful, because what guy sitting on his couch has several hundred thousand to spend just to try? Very few, even fewer that love bass fishing with that passion. This is basically high stakes poker with a 100k buy in, you can take a guy who is better at poker than anyone else ever has been, if he doesnt have the funds it wont matter. 3
Super User Catt Posted January 30 Super User Posted January 30 6 hours ago, SkippinJimmy said: I’d bet they wouldn’t have much success on our Texas Team Trail. So in your opinion there isn't any new & upcoming anglers in the world? I guess Elite level anglers are cloned from KVD!
SkippinJimmy Posted January 30 Posted January 30 2 hours ago, Catt said: So in your opinion there isn't any new & upcoming anglers in the world? I guess Elite level anglers are cloned from KVD! LOL…not even close to what I said. Just go up to my previous post if you want to know what I’m talking about. 1
Super User Catt Posted January 30 Super User Posted January 30 11 minutes ago, SkippinJimmy said: LOL…not even close to what I said. 9 hours ago, SkippinJimmy said: But the thought that there are anglers sitting on their couches who could walk in and be successful on a tour like the elites is just classic fisherman talk 1
SkippinJimmy Posted January 30 Posted January 30 5 minutes ago, Catt said: Huh… 9 hours ago, SkippinJimmy said: Could some small number be successful if given the time…sure. Huh…you literally left this first sentence out and just cut the second sentence to try to suggest that I said there were no up and comers.
Super User Catt Posted January 30 Super User Posted January 30 4 minutes ago, SkippinJimmy said: Could some small number be successful if given the time…sure. 14 minutes ago, Catt said: But the thought that there are anglers sitting on their couches who could walk in and be successful on a tour like the elites is just classic fisherman talk Kinda contradicted yourself 😉
SkippinJimmy Posted January 30 Posted January 30 3 minutes ago, Catt said: Kinda contradicted yourself 😉 Not contradicting at all. Reading comprehension is hard. One says if given time. The other says walk in and be successful. 1
Super User J Francho Posted January 30 Super User Posted January 30 I don't think comprehension is hard. Inference and nuance are lost arts though. Get off my lawn! 1
Super User Catt Posted January 30 Super User Posted January 30 46 minutes ago, Catt said: But the thought that there are anglers sitting on their couches who could walk in and be successful on a tour like the elites is just classic fisherman talk You wrote it, read it again 49 minutes ago, Catt said: classic fisherman talk
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