Tatsu Dave Posted August 30, 2021 Posted August 30, 2021 I've had the Trilene and palomar knots suggested and trilene seems to be a double thru the eye 8 wrap version of the clinch knot. Both seem capable and don't slip what does everyone think? Quote
Global Moderator Mike L Posted August 30, 2021 Global Moderator Posted August 30, 2021 Palomar as never failed me for any braid combo. Mike 4 Quote
GetFishorDieTryin Posted August 30, 2021 Posted August 30, 2021 palomars are great, but constant reties will eat up line fast. The uni knot or some form of it is what I would recommend. 1 Quote
Super User ATA Posted August 30, 2021 Super User Posted August 30, 2021 I do San Diego jam knot(doubled the line while doing), I need best knot because of my expensive large swimbaits. https://youtu.be/WFMR0a4MZ8g 1 Quote
DaubsNU1 Posted August 30, 2021 Posted August 30, 2021 I've been using the Trilene knot | Two Turn Clinch Knot | Double Clinch knot on my braid since the early 1990's. Rock solid. 1 Quote
Super User T-Billy Posted August 30, 2021 Super User Posted August 30, 2021 Palomar. If you just pull on the mainline while cinching down, you only lose a few inches of tagline. I pull it ALMOST tight, give the tag a tug, then cinch the mainline. Easy as can be and never had one fail. 3 Quote
Super User Solution jimmyjoe Posted August 30, 2021 Super User Solution Posted August 30, 2021 Are you looking for a knot that you can use to break off a snag? If you are, good luck! Ain't no such puppy. But if you're just looking for a good knot for fishing, do this: tie your braid off to a post with a knot .... any knot. Now take your rod and pull. Pull hard. Put your thumb on the reel so that the drag doesn't engage, and pull the rod over into a half-circle bend ...... Watch out that it doesn't break first. Did the knot hold? If it did, it's a good knot to use. I don't care which knot you used. It held all the possible stress that you can put on your rod, reel, line and knot, and it held. What more could you want? jj 1 1 Quote
Bass Rutten Posted August 30, 2021 Posted August 30, 2021 The overlooked berkley braid knot is dead reliable for direct to lure or terminal. 1 Quote
Kdizzle Posted August 30, 2021 Posted August 30, 2021 For light line a simple clinch knot(fishermans knot) has never failed me in my life. For heavier line its either a Uni knot or the Palomar. 2 Quote
Tatsu Dave Posted August 30, 2021 Author Posted August 30, 2021 Heres why the question, set my son up with a 30lb sufix braid set up and he took it out to try. Things were going well pickerel were not biting off and things were good, then he got a hard hit and when he set the hook the braid came back without the texas rig on it. He assumed the pickerel got to it but I could see the tight coils the clinch knot makes at the end like it pulled off. Watched a video by Roland Martin today and he said it was the one knot you shouldn't use with braid. He tied a lure on and clamped the hook and it pulled right out with a good pull. Bingo that's what's happening......Jimmyjoe's post was pure logic and made sense to me. I have taught myself palomar and trilene knots this afternoon. Storm right now but bright and early will test them and see what we have. One thing JJ I don't want to pull any snags or branches off........if I did I carry my folding saw with me for treestand limbing so I'd cut them off. I don't want the line pulling off the hook on a big bass. Thanks to everyone, will have a solution tomorrow morning. 3 Quote
Super User dodgeguy Posted August 31, 2021 Super User Posted August 31, 2021 Palomar and crazy glue tag end so it doesn't fray. I crazy glue all braid tag ends no matter what knot is used. Quote
TcRoc Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 Palomar is my go to for braid unless I’m on a flipping hook than I use a Snell. 1 Quote
The Bassman Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 6 hours ago, Kenny Yi said: Fish-n-Fool knot Best knot of the bunch especially if fishing straight braid. Very little tag waste. I can get it close enough that I don't even have to trim the tag. I use seven turns on light braid, six on anything over .20 mm. I've never had a knot fail. Quote
Super User JustJames Posted August 31, 2021 Super User Posted August 31, 2021 Double uni knot. 1 hour ago, The Bassman said: Best knot of the bunch especially if fishing straight braid. Very little tag waste. I can get it close enough that I don't even have to trim the tag. I use seven turns on light braid, six on anything over .20 mm. I've never had a knot fail. Fish-fool knot, is it just uni knot with double loops on hook eye, correct? I never use this knot. I am not sure if double hook eye loop would help much to prevent slippage on braid, mono maybe? 1 Quote
Super User QUAKEnSHAKE Posted August 31, 2021 Super User Posted August 31, 2021 fishnfool head to head vs palomar I forget the pound test of lines used Quote
Super User fishballer06 Posted August 31, 2021 Super User Posted August 31, 2021 I've had my Trilene knot slip on me while frog fishing, so I've moved away from it on braid (shame, because its the knot I've used the longest). I've since moved to the palomar and haven't been let down. Quote
Super User Bankc Posted August 31, 2021 Super User Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Bass_Fishing_Socal said: Double uni knot. Fish-fool knot, is it just uni knot with double loops on hook eye, correct? I never use this knot. I am not sure if double hook eye loop would help much to prevent slippage on braid, mono maybe? Pretty much. And it does seem to help because I've never had one slip out on me. It seems to snap the line, just above the knot before it slips out. With braid, you'll also want to use a few more wraps than a standard uni knot. I usually go 7-10, depending on line diameter (thinner lines get more wraps). I prefer it over the Palomar with braid because it wastes less line and I'll reuse the same roll of braid for years. That, and the Palomar can be a bit finicky. If you twist the line while tying it, it'll greatly reduce it's knot strength. But I still use the Palomar for smaller lures, as the Fish N Fool is not a small knot. Quote
Tatsu Dave Posted August 31, 2021 Author Posted August 31, 2021 OK just got done testing the palomar and the trilene knot with sufix 30# braid and couldn't make either slip. Wondered what his rod would take but it didn't break ? used the superglue on braid end and it seems to prevent fraying, Thanks dodgeguy. Both knots impressed me but its up to him which one he wants to use. His color is all but gone already so the color on braid don't mean much, did see a brand that claims no color fade with black at TW. Thanks again for all the advice and information given on the thread. Dave 2 Quote
The Bassman Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 7 hours ago, Bass_Fishing_Socal said: Double uni knot. Fish-fool knot, is it just uni knot with double loops on hook eye, correct? I never use this knot. I am not sure if double hook eye loop would help much to prevent slippage on braid, mono maybe? I can see where it would be very strong. The problem would be getting a doubled line through a small ned hook eye. One strand of soft skinny braid at a time is hard enough for me with the FF. I've been using P-Line TCB 8 lately and it stays pretty straight when you're working with it. Really quiet, too. 1 Quote
Super User JustJames Posted August 31, 2021 Super User Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, The Bassman said: I can see where it would be very strong. The problem would be getting a doubled line through a small ned hook eye. One strand of soft skinny braid at a time is hard enough for me with the FF. I've been using P-Line TCB 8 lately and it stays pretty straight when you're working with it. Really quiet, too. Tell me about it ???. I tried double uni knot once and it d**n hard to tie with 8-10lb braid. I only use uni know and trilene knot from 4lb all the way to 30lb and it hardly ever fail me. I know it is not strongest knot but I still need wooden dowel to brake 15lb braid when snagged. Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted September 1, 2021 Global Moderator Posted September 1, 2021 I noticed the standard clinch knot would slip off with thinner braid when I first started using it. I had to learn a few new knots actually, even several of my fly fishing leader knots would slip. The Palomar and improved clinch don’t seem to slip although I usually use 50 lb braid nowadays and even the regular clinch knot doesn’t seem to slip with 50 lb(but I improve it anyway) 1 Quote
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