NED RIG??

[N.Y. Yankee]

Completely unfamiliar. Please explain.

[ajschn06]

Small plastic, small jighead, drag or let it glide along the bottom, lots of fish...

[Jig Man]

https://midwestoutdoors.com/greatoutdoors/in-his-own-words-ned-kehde-passionate-teacher-of-finesse-bassin/

[ajschn06]

25 minutes ago, Jig Man said:

https://midwestoutdoors.com/greatoutdoors/in-his-own-words-ned-kehde-passionate-teacher-of-finesse-bassin/

How does he fish a spinning reel with the bail removed?

[thediscochef]

3 minutes ago, ajschn06 said:

How does he fish a spinning reel with the bail removed?

I have wondered this myself tbh

That seems difficult, you'd need very consistent tension to a semi-slack line

[ironbjorn]

6 minutes ago, ajschn06 said:

How does he fish a spinning reel with the bail removed?

I've never understood that part either.

[Reel]

The bail wire is removed but not the bail itself.  You use your index finger to pick up the line for the cast and after, to pick up the line and put it back on the guide for the retrieve. 

[BASS302]

 

[Glenn]

Explained.

 

 

[Bluebasser86]

Don't bother, it only catches small fish anyways and it's pretty much the same thing as a shakyhead...

[Spankey]

Grub, tube and craw fishing is pretty much the same concept? The overall idea has been around for years? Z Man baits revolve around the NED concept? I don’t know. 
 

Can’t say I’ve jumped in with both feet because I don’t see really what is significantly different then grub fishing or putting a cut Senko on a jig head. Standup jig heads have been around forever. 
 

I believe that is how it started. Some guy started using pieces of broken worm and Senkos on various jig heads. Called it that. Z Man made a product line of soft plastics that were more durable. All looks to have been a great idea and a lot of guys fish it. 

[HaydenS]

If you can't get bit dragging or hopping it on the bottom, SWIM IT, this is how you fish a ned over grass.  Don't use ANYTHING but Zman or other elaztech products, it doesn't work half as well.  

[DaubsNU1]

Started fishing NED this spring. 

 

Hammered the Smallies in South Dakota on this set up.

 

Been crushing Largemouth in my home lake this summer.

 

Love this set up on my medium power spinning rod, 10lb yellow PowerPro to 10lb fluoro leader.

 

Pumpkin green does the job.

 

 

[ajschn06]

On 8/20/2021 at 3:48 PM, Reel said:

The bail wire is removed but not the bail itself.  You use your index finger to pick up the line for the cast and after, to pick up the line and put it back on the guide for the retrieve. 

That's like, the dumbest thing I've ever heard...

[Team9nine]

21 minutes ago, ajschn06 said:

That's like, the dumbest thing I've ever heard...

 

You have to take into consideration the history of the modification. In the early days of spinning, they didn’t have things like near lifetime bail springs. It wasn’t unusual to break a spring on a reel at least once a year with heavy use, and maybe more. The way around never having that happen was to remove the wire and file down the edges, then using your finger to simply put the line on or off the bail arm as necessary, hence no more broken bail springs. 

 

There also wasn’t infinite anti-reverse mechanisms developed yet, but they did have self-centering bails that would always stop at the top by your finger, making this maneuver even easier. 

 

Now days none of it is really needed, but a few people used to the modification still do it out of familiarity. There are also a few applications (surf, saltwater) where you see it more out of necessity so the arm doesn’t  prematurely close during a cast.

[ajschn06]

1 minute ago, Team9nine said:

 

You have to take into consideration the history of the modification. In the early days of spinning, they didn’t have things like near lifetime bail springs. It wasn’t unusual to break a spring on a reel at least once a year with heavy use. The way around never having that happen was to remove the wire and file down the edges, then using your finger to simply put the line on or off the bail arm as necessary, hence no more broken bail springs. 

 

There also wasn’t infinite anti-reverse mechanisms developed yet, bit they did have self-centering bails that would always stop at the top by your finger, making this maneuver even easier. 

 

Now days none of it is really needed, but a few people used to the modification still do it out of familiarity. There are also a few applications (surf, saltwater) where you see it more out if necessity so the arm doesn’t  prematurely close during a cast.

Fair!

[TnRiver46]

20 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

 

You have to take into consideration the history of the modification. In the early days of spinning, they didn’t have things like near lifetime bail springs. It wasn’t unusual to break a spring on a reel at least once a year with heavy use, and maybe more. The way around never having that happen was to remove the wire and file down the edges, then using your finger to simply put the line on or off the bail arm as necessary, hence no more broken bail springs. 

 

There also wasn’t infinite anti-reverse mechanisms developed yet, but they did have self-centering bails that would always stop at the top by your finger, making this maneuver even easier. 

 

Now days none of it is really needed, but a few people used to the modification still do it out of familiarity. There are also a few applications (surf, saltwater) where you see it more out of necessity so the arm doesn’t  prematurely close during a cast.

I have at least one reel id like to do this to, which edges do you file down? 

[Team9nine]

1 hour ago, TnRiver46 said:

I have at least one reel id like to do this to, which edges do you file down? 

 

In most cases, you can't simply remove the bail wire without taking off the arm/roller, too. So you take a hacksaw or similar and cut the bail wire as close to the roller arm as possible, as well as the far attached end, then simply file down those two spots to try and remove any sharp metal that might accidentally cut you or your line. Some reels are more amenable to this than others based on how they are designed.

 

[TnRiver46]

3 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

 

In most cases, you can't simply remove the bail wire without taking off the arm/roller, too. So you take a hacksaw or similar and cut the bail wire as close to the roller arm as possible, as well as the far attached end, then simply file down those two spots to try and remove any sharp metal that might accidentally cut you or your line. Some reels are more amenable to this than others based on how they are designed.

 

Gotcha thanks !!

[rangerjockey]

Cutting the bail wire off those old Abu Cardinal 3's and 4's was the way to go.. As I recall you couldn't shut the bail by hand and had to close it with the handle which led to loops like crazy. 

 Once you got the hang of holding the line until the roller came around and caught it it was really easy and faster than using the handle.

I have a pristine Cardinal 3 with the bail untouched that I've thought about cutting and using but when I see the prices they are bringing to collectors and in Japan I think I'll leave this one alone.

[Cgolf]

The Ned rig is something that many of us have fished for years without knowing it. It just has some rules around the weights of the head, size of plastic, and hook size. Removing the bail must be an old school thing as it is mentioned in the slider fishin book as well. 

[gim]

When I started using this years ago, I was using the original zman mushroom head jigs.  They were flimsy light wire hooks and I lost fish on them because either the hook broke or the hook bent.  The plastic keeper broke often too.  I would advise anyone using this NOT to use the original zman mushroom jig heads for this application.  There are much better alternatives out there that are stronger and more durable.