Fishing Line Ratings and Stiffness...???

[ITO_ZILLION]

Is it just me or does the stiffness of a fishing line get stiffer the higher you go in line rating...??? I bought some YoZuri hybrid in 10, 12, 15 and 20 lb for leaders. I was practicing tying knots and testing knot/line strength and I noticed that the 20lb hybrid was stiffer and more difficult to tie knots vs the 10lb which felt softer and easier for tying knots.

 

Now that I think about it, I guess it makes sense since the more thicker a line is, the denser it is and therefore the line is going to be more stiff. Less material = soft, more material = hard. Has this always been the case for mono and flourocarbon lines? Is it the same for braided line also? 

[MN Fisher]

It's not just you.

My 4# YZH is MUCH more supple than my 10#, 12# or 15#

Same between my 6# InvizX and my 12# InvizX

 

Higher in test you go, the thicker the line, and the more stiff it is.

 

Braid still suffers this, in my experience, but the difference is less. My 10# Sufix 832 is just a bit more supple than my 40#...but the difference isn't near as great as it is with Mono, FC or Hybrid.

[JustJames]

11 hours ago, ITO_ZILLION said:

Is it just me or does the stiffness of a fishing line get stiffer the higher you go in line rating...??? I bought some YoZuri hybrid in 10, 12, 15 and 20 lb for leaders. I was practicing tying knots and testing knot/line strength and I noticed that the 20lb hybrid was stiffer and more difficult to tie knots vs the 10lb which felt softer and easier for tying knots.

 

Yes, the bigger the line diameter the stiffer it get. One type line might be stiffer than other, though. Another reason I stop using hybrid line once it get over 12lb (Izorline seems to be softer and less memory).

Another thing is knot you are using. You don’t need that many wraps for bigger diameter line. Once it get over 15lb, Palomar knot is the way to go for me. I normally use 5-6 wraps for 8lb or less (more for slippery type braid), 4 wraps for 8-12lb.

[bulldog1935]

No question about the diameter effect, but there's also a composition effect.  

Low-memory lines are formulated stiff and springy.  

 

Tying surf leaders, discovered that even though it's smaller diameter, 40-lb Seaguar Gold is stiffer and harder to bend for Allbright knot than 40-lb Seaguar Blue, or same-diameter 30-lb Seaguar Blue.  

[ironbjorn]

1 hour ago, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

Yes, the bigger the line diameter the stiffer it get. One type line might be stiffer than other, though. Another reason I stop using hybrid line once it get over 12lb (Izorline seems to be softer and less memory).

Another thing is knot you are using. You don’t need that many wraps for bigger diameter line. Once it get over 15lb, Palomar knot is the way to go for me. I normally use 5-6 wraps for 8lb or less (more for slippery type braid), 4 wraps for 8-12lb.

There's really no reason to use Yo-Zuri Hybrid in a test greater than 12 because 12lb Hybrid breaks at nearly 20lbs.

[JustJames]

1 hour ago, ironbjorn said:

There's really no reason to use Yo-Zuri Hybrid in a test greater than 12 because 12lb Hybrid breaks at nearly 20lbs.

Im sorry but I’m not casting hudds 6 or 8” with 12lb Hybrid (15-17lb izorline).The 12lb is my benchmark for 3/8-1/2oz jig and that the heaviest I use for regular fishing.

[Bankc]

I think that the thicker the line, the stiffer it is has always been the case.  Though for braided line, I don't think the stiffness ramps up as quickly as with the other types of line.  And for braided line, the stiffness, at least in my experience, is more related to it's age.  As it gets used more, it tends to soften up.  I've got some new 10# braid that feels stiffer than some 2 year old 30# braid.

[ironbjorn]

7 minutes ago, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

Im sorry but I’m not casting hudds 6 or 8” with 12lb Hybrid (15-17lb izorline).The 12lb is my benchmark for 3/8-1/2oz jig and that the heaviest I use for regular fishing.

I've pulled up logs with the 12# so I can definitely see a Hudd breaking it

 

[J Francho]

Try tying 100# Fluorocarbon Leader for pike fishing.  The larger the diameter, the bigger the knot, and the harder it is to tie.  As diameter increases, that difficulty increases, and it's not linear.

[JustJames]

2 hours ago, ironbjorn said:

I've pulled up logs with the 12# so I can definitely see a Hudd breaking it

 

First of all I don’t know why you quoted me, if I wanna use 15 or 20lb it is my choice, right? Another reason I try to avoid posting here in forum.

secondly, steady pulling log compare to casting 3-6oz lure with 8-9’ rod, one wrong move and you can kiss you lure good bye. I’m not even mentioning setting hook on big running fish with very stiff XH rod, that tiny 12lb test hybrid not gonna last long. You might be so expert or just one of the guy that doesn’t know what he is talking about.

 

[ironbjorn]

4 hours ago, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

First of all I don’t know why you quoted me, if I wanna use 15 or 20lb it is my choice, right? Another reason I try to avoid posting here in forum.

secondly, steady pulling log compare to casting 3-6oz lure with 8-9’ rod, one wrong move and you can kiss you lure good bye. I’m not even mentioning setting hook on big running fish with very stiff XH rod, that tiny 12lb test hybrid not gonna last long. You might be so expert or just one of the guy that doesn’t know what he is talking about.

 

Oh I don't know. I probably quoted you because I was responding. So on discussion forums people talk to each other. When you're engaging in conversation with a specific person there's usually a "quote" button that you push. Typically you quote someone who has also quoted you. Let me know it you need further assistance on how that works.

 

12# YZH isn't a "tiny" diameter line. YZH is known for being an extremely thick line for the # test it claims to be, hence why it's also known for breaking at almost double the # test that it claims to be. You can use whatever you want. It's not as deep as your feelings.

[J Francho]

Lol at throwing 6 and 8" Hudds on 12# YZ line. That's internet for "I've never thrown them."  I use 20# CXX for 68s, and that's probably on the low side. Most guys use 25#. CXX is not skinny line either.  

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On 8/16/2021 at 6:11 PM, ITO_ZILLION said:

Is it just me or does the stiffness of a fishing line get stiffer the higher you go in line rating...??? I bought some YoZuri hybrid in 10, 12, 15 and 20 lb for leaders. I was practicing tying knots and testing knot/line strength and I noticed that the 20lb hybrid was stiffer and more difficult to tie knots vs the 10lb which felt softer and easier for tying knots.

 

Now that I think about it, I guess it makes sense since the more thicker a line is, the denser it is and therefore the line is going to be more stiff. Less material = soft, more material = hard. Has this always been the case for mono and flourocarbon lines? Is it the same for braided line also? 

Any material will be “stiffer” as it’s cross section increases, but not “denser” that is a constant assuming the same material.