All this Flouro talk lately

[TcRoc]

As mentioned in reply in another thread I only run flouro on a couple rods and it’s a pain sometimes… had InvizX on them except one that has YoZuri Hybrid leader tied on. So I decided to order 2 spools of Yozuri Hybrid in 12 and 15lb . 
 

World of difference manageability wise for me.. and yes I have always treated flouro while spooling and maintained them with conditioner. 
Understanding this is a Hybrid line but still didn’t think it would work out so well for me. Zero issues and no line fluffing at all. I really like this stuff and the price…., Still want to try Sniper and Tatsu.

The line diameter is a bit excessive compared to others but again like it so far.
 

 

[LrgmouthShad]

Good to hear great things about Yo Zuri. Yeah…. About the only time I plan on trying to run fluoro is with jigs and some cases with worms as a leader. Mono is the deal for me otherwise.

 

[Tatsu Dave]

I didn't like invizx for manageability, same with red label. Tried tatsu and things came together well, I use it now on all spinning rods and change it out at years end. For low stretch/visibility and good sensitivity I am a fan, cost is up there but watch for it to go on sale and buy a large spool. For me it was made for SB fishing with the low viz and strength it works so well. I think everyone should fish what they like best and have confidence in for me its tatsu.

[Jig Man]

I normally have fluorocarbon on 18 setups, now only 13 since I put Yozuri on my 5 Ned setups.  I don’t have any trouble and don’t use any conditioner on the fluorocarbon.

[FishTank]

I have been using Invizx for several years and I use to use Hybrid and Ultra Soft before that.....  

 

I am actually on the opposite end of this.  I found Hybrid to be more unmanageable than Invizx but I didn't use conditioner on the Hybrid though.  Hybrid once it got wet and used a few times, it turned into a super hard line for me, more like co-poly (CXX).  Invizx did not which why I have stuck with it for so long.  Maybe Hybrid has changed.   Out of the FC lines I have used Invizx has been the softest next to Trilene XL 100% FC.  Tatsu is amazing line but it's just a fuzz bit stiffer which is not a bad thing in most cases. 

 

This is an after thought to add to above..... 

 

I was curious so I researched a little bit about Hybrid since it has been years since I used it and this review sums it up for me (just in case there were many positive reviews)......

 

I like nylon line for the stretch, knot strength, and shock absorption. I like fluro for its density, abrasion resistance, and low visibility. So what about a hybrid? Best of both worlds? Yes and no (unfortunately). I have had this line spooled up on two baitcast reels for a month and have made hundreds of casts and caught many LMB with it. It checks all of the boxes on the pluses of nylon and fluro; excellent knots, great shock absorption, dense enough to reach proper depth, etc. However, this line changes with temperature. When it's cool outside, it lays and casts like a dream; when the temp starts to rise into to 80°F (+) range, the monster comes alive. The two different materials react differently and coil memory sets in. After every 5 or so flips, pitches, or short casts; I have to make a long cast and "stretch" the line back onto the reel. The coils become too unmanageable to continue fishing without doing so (think Slinky). It's sad because I really like all of the other qualities of the line, but manageability gets frustrating. I want to fish, not babysit a temperamental line. Would I recommend this line as a leader? Absolutely! As a main line? Never. From now on, I will only use this line as a leader. I think it's better than fluro as a leader to braid, but worse than mono memory as a main line.

 

 

[NHBull]

Tatsu will spoil you with Invisx a close second.

[MN Fisher]

5 hours ago, TcRoc said:

So I decided to order 2 spools of Yozuri Hybrid in 12 and 15lb . 

Welcome to the dark side - we have cookies.

 

I run 12# YZH on my crankbait rig, 15# on one of my three MH/F BC rigs and 4# on my ML/MF spinning rig.

 

Yes, it's a bit larger diameter than others of the same test - but it breaks higher too...I think they under-rate it on purpose.

 

For FC - I got gifted some 15# Tatsu which is on my MH/F bottom contact rig, and I picked up some InvizX in 6# which I run on my L/F spinning rig and as leader on my ML/F spinning rig. So far I'm enjoying the InvizX...but that Tatsu is a world of difference. Can't afford much of it, but what I have is wonderful.

[Catt]

Been there, done that, ain't going back!

[dodgeguy]

I keep trying flouro but dont get any more bites than straight braid so eventually I wind up going back to braid.

[huZZah]

I use 12lb on one rig (T rigs/cranks), and I use that same 12lb to make leaders.  I like it better for leaders than mono, but I prefer the mono or braid with or without leader for just about everything else.  I don’t see the big deal, but to each their own. 

[Mike L]

I use Sniper and Shooter for everything except for 2 techniques and have for years. 
Tatsu is the best I’ve ever used but not that much better to re spool them all. 
 

 

 

 

Mike

[NoShoes]

Tried tatsu for a bit and felt it wasn’t my best option and opted for big game. 
 

I tested them by joining the tatsu against a test lower big game (12 lb tatsu against 10 lb big game) via uni knot and the tatsu failed first every time. 
 

If I hooked a giant I’d rather have it pinned on mono than fluoro, also helps I get respool for a dollar a pop. 

[Boomstick]

7 hours ago, TcRoc said:

Still want to try Sniper and Tatsu.

Try Daiwa J-Fluoro Samurai. That's what I've been using on rods for jigs and T-Rigs this year (I will either mono, copoly or cheaper fluoro for reels that I primarily use with moving baits). I also have Tatsu and Shooter FC on other reels, but honestly the J-Fluoro is cheaper than both and every bit as good so far (I honestly think it handles a little better).

 

 

7 hours ago, TcRoc said:

The line diameter is a bit excessive compared to others but again like it so far.

For whatever reason, the diameter of Yo Zuri Hybrid 15# is like most 17# mono that runs fat, but the other sizes run inline with fatter monos, say Berkley Big Game or Sufix Siege etc.

[CrankFate]

I love fluoro. Just not as my main line. 

[Lmsmbassaddict]

10 hours ago, TcRoc said:

As mentioned in reply in another thread I only run flouro on a couple rods and it’s a pain sometimes… had InvizX on them except one that has YoZuri Hybrid leader tied on. So I decided to order 2 spools of Yozuri Hybrid in 12 and 15lb . 
 

World of difference manageability wise for me.. and yes I have always treated flouro while spooling and maintained them with conditioner. 
Understanding this is a Hybrid line but still didn’t think it would work out so well for me. Zero issues and no line fluffing at all. I really like this stuff and the price…., Still want to try Sniper and Tatsu.

The line diameter is a bit excessive compared to others but again like it so far.
 

 

I've never had to treat any FC line... Ever. There was a time in the early 2000s that I let bass pro spool my reel and it came off a baitcaster spool looking like a freaking slinky but I just chalked it up to the whole "if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself." 

[bulldog1935]

The best spooled fluoro I've tried, especially in UL sizes, is JDM Toray Exthread.  

Toray states they formulate each diameter separately.  

I like it better than Tatsu for less than 10-lb (for 10-lb, Tatsu is very good, though very springy coming off the spool).  

  

 

If you want abrasion-resistant leader, JDM YGK Hard shines, with Seaguar Gold a close second.  

 

For limp leader, it's still Seaguar Blue Label or JDM Grand Max.  

[TnRiver46]

8 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

The best spooled fluoro I've tried, especially in UL sizes, is JDM Toray Exthread.  

Toray states they formulate each diameter separately.  

I like it better than Tatsu for less than 10-lb (for 10-lb, Tatsu is very good, though very springy coming off the spool).  

  

 

If you want abrasion-resistant leader, JDM YGK Hard shines, with Seaguar Gold a close second.  

 

For limp leader, it's still Seaguar Blue Label or JDM Grand Max.  

Has anyone ever told you you take things a little too far? Just kidding buddy, you know more about Line and reels than I could ever imagine. 

[Bankc]

I tried the fluoro game.  I tried most every major brand that people recommend.  I eventually gave it up, but still use the leftovers as a leader.  I just couldn't get past the memory issues.  It's really windy here, and fluoro is terrible when you're constantly casting into 20-30mph winds.  I'm mostly all braid, all the time now.  Though I do still use the Yo-Zuri Hybrid and some mono on a couple of reels.  

 

Sometimes I miss the slack line sensitivity.  But since I kayak, I don't have room for a bunch of lure specific rods.  If I did, I would keep fluoro on my jig and maybe T-rigged rods.  

[bulldog1935]

@TnRiver46

I fish braid from 46-lb down to 6-lb, surf to limestone creeks - also granite, which is really hard on leaders - and still fish that 6-lb inshore.  

You should know from fly rods how important leader is.  

I've also broken off 30+" Alaska rainbows at surgeon's knots with the Wrong leader - Rio.  

(yeah, this is a Dolly, and a big one)

 

I got PO'd breaking off three PB Alaska rainbows and still limiting my PB to a Texas tailwater.  

[TnRiver46]

7 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

@TnRiver46

I fish braid from 46-lb down to 6-lb, surf to limestone creeks, and still fish that 6-lb inshore.  

You should know from fly rods how important leader is.  

I've also broken off 30+" Alaska rainbows at surgeon's knots with the Wrong leader - Rio.  

 

 

I got PO'd breaking off three PB Alaska rainbows and still limiting my PB to a Texas tailwater.  

You are the tackle sensei. I just toss my string out there and hope for the best 

[bulldog1935]

you're fishing most days, my trips are planned (though Alaska work trips were planned short-notice) - and most often planned for my friends to be successful.  

I ran out of things to prove decades ago.  

Don't pull the colloquial crap on me...

 

[TnRiver46]

8 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

you're fishing most days, my trips are planned (though Alaska work trips were planned short-notice)  

Don't pull the colloquial crap on me...

 

I have been to The ocean many times and looked at tide charts for hours, I’ve yet to understand one . I think I need some in person training

[bulldog1935]

@TnRiver46

it's worse than that - there's 15,000 sq miles less than 2' deep to filter the tides against the structure - and the wind.  

I often repeat what I know.  My young friend Josh is the real champ - getting the two of us together is always a banner trip.  

He jokes about being 36 with all his fishing friends in their 60s and 70s - we're the only people who can keep up with him.  

 

 

[TnRiver46]

I heard a professional fisherman talking about using an entire spool of Florocarbon so his line wouldn’t blow around in the wind on the surface like Braid does. That’s some thing I would’ve never thought of

[bulldog1935]

From my former trout wizard buddy turned famous speaker coast guide, Billy Trimble:   

He always uses nylon leaders with fluorocarbon tippet in skinny grass.  The nylon floats and the fluorocarbon drops the fly into the grass.