spin vs BFS

[mcipinkie]

What I want to know is why isn't anyone asking how to fix a spinning rod so you can punch a 2 ounce sinker on 65 lb braid into heavy hydrilla.  Makes just as much sense as trying to cast a 1/16 ounce ned rig on a bait caster.  

Do I need to explain my point? 

[bulldog1935]

you left out king mackerel and suspended red snapper on fly rod.  

13 hours ago, bulldog1935 said:

I'm set up now to do everything better with baitcasters in daylight.  

If you gear right, you can do it better on baitcaster than on spinning tackle.  

It's just not the same baitcaster that you cast a 2 oz sinker.  

Though I'm set up to use the same reel and swap the spool.  

[desmobob]

52 minutes ago, mcipinkie said:

What I want to know is why isn't anyone asking how to fix a spinning rod so you can punch a 2 ounce sinker on 65 lb braid into heavy hydrilla.  Makes just as much sense as trying to cast a 1/16 ounce ned rig on a bait caster.  

Do I need to explain my point? 

 

I can't cast either a 2 ounce sinker or a 1/16 oz. Ned Rig on a fly rod.  Like a whole lot of guys, I love the added challenge of fly fishing for bass.  So because it doesn't "make sense" to someone, it's wrong?

 

I fish with bait casting, spinning, fly fishing, trolling and BFS gear from a power boat, canoe, kayak, float tube and wading because I think it's fun.  I don't care if someone thinks it doesn't make sense.  That's not the point!

 

BFS is just one more fun way to catch fish...

 

 

 

 

[Jonas Staggs]

52 minutes ago, mcipinkie said:

What I want to know is why isn't anyone asking how to fix a spinning rod so you can punch a 2 ounce sinker on 65 lb braid into heavy hydrilla.  Makes just as much sense as trying to cast a 1/16 ounce ned rig on a bait caster.  

Do I need to explain my point? 

 

i got 60# braid on a spin rod rated up to 3oz to throw heavy stuff on. 

[jimmyjoe]

1 hour ago, mcipinkie said:

What I want to know is why isn't anyone asking how to fix a spinning rod so you can punch a 2 ounce sinker on 65 lb braid into heavy hydrilla.  Makes just as much sense as trying to cast a 1/16 ounce ned rig on a bait caster.  

Do I need to explain my point? 

 

   When you say, "Makes just as much sense ....", what you're really saying is that it makes as much sense TO YOU.

  Everyone has their likes and dislikes. Everyone has their methods. Some people are slick at this, and some people are slick at that. It's all good.

 

   What's not good is making a sarcastic comment to put down another person.

 

 

  

[WRB]

Fly fishing you cast the line the leader essential, not so with spinning or a baitcasting where you cast the lure attached to the line.

Tom

[bulldog1935]

8 hours ago, jimmyjoe said:

 

   When you say, "Makes just as much sense ....", what you're really saying is that it makes as much sense TO YOU.

  Everyone has their likes and dislikes. Everyone has their methods. Some people are slick at this, and some people are slick at that. It's all good.

 

   What's not good is making a sarcastic comment to put down another person.

 

 

  

Jim, I don't think anyone took it personally, as much as it being too general of a generalization, and with already noted and measured exception.  

You explained the reality perfectly.  

 

That suspended snapper on fly rod thing.  On a cuddy bobbing at an offshore platform, catching them on bait 30' down (v. 60' down).  I brought a 10-wt fly rod with TS-350 sinking shooting head, hoping for flotsam and dorado, which we didn't find.  But I was there, had the gear, counted down 20 seconds for the sink - yes it was obstinate, and proved I could do it.  

We also ran out of bait, and I caught blues on the same gear.  

This snapper was taken on cut blue.  

Kings are a lot easier to strike, because they will sip a pilcher imitation 6' below the boat - then they run out 250 yds.  

Oh yeah, steel leader- I tie 40-lb Mason butt to braided 12-lb wire with an Allbright knot, then I use crimp sleeves for the fly. 

 

Anyone who fishes the salt with any tackle had better be good at leaders.  

[Big Hands]

2 hours ago, mcipinkie said:

Do I need to explain my point? 

Part of me is inclined to say that we can all see it plain as day and you could probably have it lanced or cover it with a hat. But that isn't normally how I like to conduct myself, even when someone low-key infers that someone else is stupid for trying something just because they don't see the point of it.

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I have three medium spinning rods I use for finesse fishing and regularly have at least two of them on deck for that purpose. They have either #10 or #12 braid and usually #7 or #8 fluoro leaders. 

 

But I also like certain aspects of fishing with baitcasters and the concept of using a BFS-ish type setup for some lighter duty applications appealed to me. Smallish crankbaits and lightweight texas rig plastic worm rigs are the two things I use with the two Curado BFS reels I have. One is used on a 7'1" ML Phenix  Feather and the other on a 7'7" MH, that is more like a M that I believe is a Phenix Feather blank (Phenix doesn't make an actual M Feather casting rod). I like both rods with the Curado BFS, but have been favoring the ML rod. 

 

The drag on the Curado BFS is very light and sensitive. I don't see myself ever using anything heavier than an #8 leader with it (maybe #10 max if I feel the need for abrasion resistance moreso than line strength). Even with #8 leader, it needs to be cranked down harder than any other baitcaster I have used. But is is very sensitive and I like the clicker on the drag too so I know for sure that line is being played out.

 

It's a niche setup for sure, but for the fishing that I do, I am really enjoying it and using it often.

[padon]

idk. i guess its just me. ive been using spinning rods for 35 years for light stuff. have no problem with it, enjoy it and catch alot of fish on it. whats the point. not criticizing just saying no reason for me to switch. just something different to play with i guess.

[bulldog1935]

Just now, padon said:

...whats the point....

it's fun.  

It's freaking fun.  

It's a total hoot to cast a baitcaster spool that spins fast enough to send 1/16 oz out to 120'

It's like surf casting in miniature.  

 

When you work out that it casts lighter weights farther and much more accurately than the same-rated spinning gear, it's not only more fun - it's a fish catching advantage 

[desmobob]

And there's the other, darker, point... it's an excuse to acquire more tackle!

[redmeansdistortion]

I fish light and ultralight tackle the vast majority of the time, be it spinning or BFS.  I thoroughly enjoy both.  Most of my spinners are of the vintage type, such as a ABU/Zebco Cardinal 3, DAM Quick 110 Microlite, Daiwa SS Tournament 700, and a Penn 420SS.  With my baitcasters, I have a pair of Alphas CTs, a Millionaire CT, Alphas ASC, Revo BF7, and a Calcutta Conquest BFS.  With that said, I tend to use the baitcast reels much more often since I enjoy them more.  I usually reach for one of my spinners when night fishing or on 2 and 3 day backpacking excursions into the wilderness that is the western UP of Michigan.  Those vintage spinners are super easy to repair in the field if need be, as it would be very fiddly having to do that with one of my baitcast reels.  Gotta prepare for the worst.  I'd be bummed having a reel bind up on me half way through a backpacking trip.

[roadwarrior]

11 minutes ago, desmobob said:

And there's the other, darker, point... it's an excuse to acquire more tackle!

 

[desmobob]

8 minutes ago, roadwarrior said:

 

 

roadwarrior = The GIF Master

[bulldog1935]

I don't think much of facebook, most GIFs and memes

 

But working in film noir detective insight is downright subtle, and worth a like.  

[jigheadworm]

11 hours ago, mcipinkie said:

What I want to know is why isn't anyone asking how to fix a spinning rod so you can punch a 2 ounce sinker on 65 lb braid into heavy hydrilla.  Makes just as much sense as trying to cast a 1/16 ounce ned rig on a bait caster.  

Do I need to explain my point? 

With the newer bfs reels and the right rod you don't have to try. 

[Jonas Staggs]

11 hours ago, bulldog1935 said:

it's fun.  

It's freaking fun.  

It's a total hoot to cast a baitcaster spool that spins fast enough to send 1/16 oz out to 120'

It's like surf casting in miniature.  

 

When you work out that it casts lighter weights farther and much more accurately than the same-rated spinning gear, it's not only more fun - it's a fish catching advantage 

 

 

this was the goal of getting into BFS. I feel that I am quite accurate with my spin rod. it takes practice but I have become a "good shot" with it. I thought to myself well d**n. If I can be as accurate with a BFS reel as I am with my spin rod, it would be deadly. 

[roadwarrior]

Just placed an order for these today:

Megabass DESTROYER P5 F0st-66X

SHIMANO CALCUTTA CONQUEST BFS HG (Right Handle)

 

[T-Billy]

You'll be a light bait throwin, big smallmouth showin, son of a gun baby!!! WHOOOOO!!!

[desmobob]

3 hours ago, roadwarrior said:

Just placed an order for these today:

Megabass DESTROYER P5 F0st-66X

SHIMANO CALCUTTA CONQUEST BFS HG (Right Handle)

 

 

Nice...   ?

 

I still don't own a round reel, and a round BFS reel would be a heck of a way to start!

 

I sort of cheaped out by a hundred-and-a-quarter or so and ordered an Alphas Air TW20 LH  instead.  (From Digitaka.)

[QED]

Shimano 18 Aldebaran MGL 30HG, Shimano 16 Aldebaran BFS XG, Daiwa Steez CT SV, and Daiwa PX Type R for me.  Using 4-8 lb test mono.

[redmeansdistortion]

1 hour ago, desmobob said:

 

Nice...   ?

 

I still don't own a round reel, and a round BFS reel would be a heck of a way to start!

 

I sort of cheaped out by a hundred-and-a-quarter or so and ordered an Alphas Air TW20 LH  instead.  (From Digitaka.)

Those are really cool too.  I know a guy that makes custom spacers to enable them to use the 30mm spools from the Steez/Millionaire/Alphas CT reels.  He's making me a set in polished aluminum as I'm not a big fan of the orange on this reel.  Those spools start up lightning quick.  This is my other bushwhacker combo, Millionaire CT, SLP Works shallow spool, and Roro micro bearings on a 4'10" Major Craft Troutino.  It pitches like a dream.

 

[CrankFate]

On 8/5/2021 at 9:14 PM, bulldog1935 said:

I only go to spinning for fishing in the dark.  

No casting weight advantage, no versatility advantage - with spinning, just don't have to see the lure land in the dark. 

I'm set up now to do everything better with baitcasters in daylight.  

 

I've always been my own mentor.  I've been trying to teach my dad to fish since I was 12.  Never could teach him to read water, and there's no counting how many times he's planted his boat- though the place he planted it most is the also the most famous shipwreck bar in Texas history.  All those guys who need to take people under their wing - don't get me wrong, Joe Robinson's a great guy, but I'll do fine, thanks.  

I did let Joe teach me at the vise how to tie a dubbing loop using scrap marabou.  

When I give a fly fishing talk, always describe myself as The Difficult to Mentor Type.  

48 years of fly fishing will make you appreciate the good points of leaders.  

I almost never fish at night. As far as my father goes, he did a great job teaching me how to fish at 12, but is too intoxicated to learn how to fish now….

[T-Billy]

On 8/5/2021 at 9:14 PM, bulldog1935 said:

I only go to spinning for fishing in the dark.  

No casting weight advantage, no versatility advantage - with spinning, just don't have to see the lure land in the dark. 

I'm set up now to do everything better with baitcasters in daylight.

Give those baitcasters a whirl after dark. With a little practice you'll be glad you did. Your ears will tell your thumb when to start slowing the spool instead of your eyes.

[bulldog1935]

wow, can't remember the last time anyone used the word practice around me.  I was fly fishing in the dark 40 years ago, while also casting weightless rigs on Ambassadeur.    

 

But I will be rotating-in my BFS light game rod in our standing trip to Arroyo City on the Dec. new moon.  

I certainly wasn't fishing for advice.