Another Palomar knot question

[ironbjorn]

2 minutes ago, Captain Phil said:

 

A bass will strike a lure fished on anchor rope if it is hungry or angry enough.  Obviously that is an exaggeration, but line visability definitely makes a difference in the number of fish that will strike your lure.  When tournament fishing, you can't keep a fish unless he bites first.  More bites equals more fish in the boat.  Less bites means you are handicapping yourself before the game begins.   I have witnessed numerous times when an angler fishing with heavy line was out fished by someone fishing in the same boat with lighter line.   I have seen days when you couldn't get a bite on 20 pound test and load the boat with 8.  It's not only the visibility of a fishing line that makes a difference in your catch rate.  Diameter, flexibility, buoyancy, stretch, knot strength, cast ability and color all contribute.   Mono, Fluorocarbon and Braid all have a place in bass fishing.  We are lucky that we have the line choices we do today.  When my grandfather started bass fishing, all he had was black linen line and he had to lay it out to dry.

Line diameter, especially with how it relates to the action of the lure you're using and your desired depth, is a completely different subject, though. 

[Captain Phil]

Back to the title subject.  The Palomar knot is a good knot.  I use it when flipping with 25 & 30 pound mono as double line of that diameter normally won't fit through the hook eye.  I never use it with braid as it doesn't have enough twist to keep it from slipping.   If you have never lost a big fish this way, you have been lucky.  When fishing with Braid or 20 pound and under mono, I prefer the Jimmy Houston knot.  Before braid came out, I used a regular clinch knot for everything.  After losing some big money fish when the knot slipped, I switched and never went back.  

[throttleplate]

3 hours ago, MN Fisher said:

I would think the necking could occur with any 'monofilament' (nylon, flouro, co-poly)...pulling the knot tight will put a strain on that last couple inches, depending on how close you hold the mainline to the knot when doing so.

 

I try to hold it very close when doing the last cinch down, so my necking is probably occurring in that first couple inches.

 

Food for thought.

when i tie the palomar i pull on the mainline by wrapping it around my fingers and give it a heck of a good pull and the tagline i also pull real hard.

This past month i have been snelling lots of hooks about 15 inches long with a #8 spro swivel on the the other end using #30 fluoro blue label seaguer.

With spit i have to really pull the mainline hard by wrapping line around my hand and for the tag end being short i will take a small pliers and pull it with a good tug to cinch it up.

Have not had any failures with 12 lb, 20lb, 30lb or with braid as my mainline.

3 hours ago, MN Fisher said:

I would think the necking could occur with any 'monofilament' (nylon, flouro, co-poly)...pulling the knot tight will put a strain on that last couple inches, depending on how close you hold the mainline to the knot when doing so.

 

I try to hold it very close when doing the last cinch down, so my necking is probably occurring in that first couple inches.

 

Food for thought.

when i tie the palomar i pull on the mainline by wrapping it around my fingers and give it a heck of a good pull and the tagline i also pull real hard.

This past month i have been snelling lots of hooks about 15 inches long with a #8 spro swivel on the the other end using #30 fluoro blue label seaguer.

With spit i have to really pull the mainline hard by wrapping line around my hand and for the tag end being short i will take a small pliers and pull it with a good tug to cinch it up.

Have not had any failures with 12 lb, 20lb, 30lb or with braid as my mainline.

[Boomstick]

You are not supposed to snug it until the end. It seems much easier if you snug it first until your knot slips.

[CrankFate]

7 hours ago, Junk Fisherman said:

there are just too many good knots out there to use a Palomar for your basic knot.  I’ve been using the simple Trilene knot for 20 years and is strong and dependable.

That’s what it all comes down to. I think the Trilene knot gets no love because most guys learned it off of a red box when they were 10. It was a good knot then. It’s a good knot now.

[Junk Fisherman]

12 hours ago, CrankFate said:

That’s what it all comes down to. I think the Trilene knot gets no love because most guys learned it off of a red box when they were 10. It was a good knot then. It’s a good knot now.

 

What's funny is that a buddy showed me the knot a long time ago and said it was called the "Guide's Knot."  I never knew it was the Trilene knot until I described it on a Facebook Smallmouth group and a member said it sounded like the Trilene knot.  That knot has been so good for me over the years.  I've had issues that I've had to work through with the FG, Alberto, Double Clinch, the Palomar, and several other knots I learned but stopped using.  But the Trilene knot has been a mainstay for me for over 20 years now and I don't look at knots that would replace it.     

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On 7/22/2021 at 5:02 PM, li_bass_hunter said:

I snug it. Leaving it loose makes the knot harder to cinch up 

 

On 7/22/2021 at 5:07 PM, T-Billy said:

X2

 

Nope X2.