Help Me Think This Thru

[Jigfishn10]

I'm mostly vertical fishing in deep water, about 80' average. I'm fishing 20 lb mono and in tidal currents. My reel capacity is 12 lb/110 yds, 14 lb/100 yds so I'm guessing 20 lb mono is around 85 yds? So 85 yds should be around 255 feet, correct? 

 

At 80' I probably have about 85% of my spool out, is the current putting that much bow in the line or am I guessing wrong about the 85 yd spool capacity for 20 lb mono?

[MN Fisher]

Using Big Game as the line and according to the line-capacity calculator, you'd get 67yds of 20# on that reel...so 200' of line

https://www.pattayafishing.net/fishing-reel-line-capacity-estimator/

[Jigfishn10]

Boy, I must have really under estimated the amount of line I lose due to current then.

[bulldog1935]

you might want to jack it up and put a bigger reel underneath - or back with braid - Allbright knot joint is best for getting through line guides.  

 

I use this Tica 150 for offshore jigging - 300 yds braid backing, 50 yds Blue Label on top.  

 

Plenty light on the lightweight spiral-wrapped rod with a cheap carbon handle (ok, and a nice titanium knob).  

 

If I did more of this, I'd probably have a Conquest...

[Jigfishn10]

Thanks @bulldog1935. Very helpful.

This is my first year fishing this way on the new boat. Over the winter I geared up to do this kind of fishing, I knew I'd lose line to current but, wow! ?

 

Guess you live, learn and pass down to your son (who has been really becoming a fishing buddy this year).

[Boomstick]

There will be a big difference depending on the thickness of the line that the manufacturer assumes "14# mono" to be. I just posted on another thread how typically Daiwa's line ratings are in fluorocarbon diameters, but Shimanos are in fat mono diameters, so the Shimanos hold much more like than the numbers would say. But with 20# mono, you're going to want a larger reel.

[Jigfishn10]

@Boomstick, what thread was that? Would love to take it in!

 

Always appreciate your help bud 

[Boomstick]

6 minutes ago, Jigfishn10 said:

@Boomstick, what thread was that? Would love to take it in!

 

Always appreciate your help bud 

This one:

There was actually another a few days ago as well.

 

Basically I did the math assumed Shimano would use fluorocarbon line (they don't give line diameters, but Daiwa does so I figured they may do the same) and figured to get two spools of Shooter, I would need minimum 23 cranks on the handle of backing line, actually put on I believe 33, and it still went way past the blue dyed half spool marker, which tells me I assumed the wrong line thickness for 14# line.

[Jigfishn10]

12 minutes ago, Boomstick said:

This one:

There was actually another a few days ago as well.

 

Basically I did the math assumed Shimano would use fluorocarbon line (they don't give line diameters, but Daiwa does so I figured they may do the same) and figured to get two spools of Shooter, I would need minimum 23 cranks on the handle of backing line, actually put on I believe 33, and it still went way past the blue dyed half spool marker, which tells me I assumed the wrong line thickness for 14# line.

Boom, I’m stupid, you sure you want to go fishing with me?

 

Seriously, love the data. Thank you 

[Boomstick]

31 minutes ago, Jigfishn10 said:

Boom, I’m stupid, you sure you want to go fishing with me?

 

Seriously, love the data. Thank you 

I had to look up line capacity estimators and the thickness of lines in question too

[Jigfishn10]

9 minutes ago, Boomstick said:

I had to look up line capacity estimators and the thickness of lines in question too

You’re good, man! ?

[jbsoonerfan]

This reminds me of guys who say their reel holds 110 yds of line and they can spool their reel casting a 1/2 oz jig.

[A-Jay]

I would go 30 lb braid mainline to a mono leader for abrasion resistance.

You'll gain capacity & sensitivity as well as WAY less drag in tidal current.

Good old Power Pro would probably do it.

Fish Hard

A-Jay

[bulldog1935]

or Sufix 832 is really well-behaved on baitcaster - 20-lb Sufix might work fine.  

 

Use the Pattaya calculator to compare capacities with different line diameters.  

 

[scaleface]

On 7/22/2021 at 7:08 AM, Jigfishn10 said:

I'm mostly vertical fishing in deep water, about 80' average. I'm fishing 20 lb mono and in tidal currents

Do you catch bass like this ? 

[islandbass]

If your original estimate is accurate, 80/255 = 0.313 x 100% or 31.3% of your line and not 85% of your line. 
 

If MN’s calculation of 67 yds. is correct, then 39.8% of your line is out. ?

[TnRiver46]

2 hours ago, scaleface said:

Do you catch bass like this ? 

Striped variety in the ocean  methinks 

[Jigfishn10]

On 7/23/2021 at 12:59 AM, jbsoonerfan said:

This reminds me of guys who say their reel holds 110 yds of line and they can spool their reel casting a 1/2 oz jig.

I guess this means I do have a low IQ….?…all good sooner.

19 hours ago, TnRiver46 said:

Striped variety in the ocean  methinks 

Actually back sea bass is my target but have been catch cod, pollock, haddock. Which are all very tasty. ?

21 hours ago, islandbass said:

If your original estimate is accurate, 80/255 = 0.313 x 100% or 31.3% of your line and not 85% of your line. 
 

If MN’s calculation of 67 yds. is correct, then 39.8% of your line is out. ?

What’s happening is when I drop my line out the current is putting a bow in it. I’m sending down a 4 oz bank sinker and a 1/4 oz jig on a dropper loop and most of my spool is out at this point.

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I agree both that that reel will hold more like 65-70 yds of 20 lb BG, and that it is too small for what you are doing. It will work if you are not encountering anything that will require much line to be peeled out by the fish. 20 lb BG is strong enough to fish a really tight drag, so with a stick that can handle that stress, you'll be ok with most things inshore, but I find that real things usually bite when under gunned. 

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1 hour ago, Jigfishn10 said:

Actually back sea bass is my target but have been catch cod, pollock, haddock. Which are all very tasty. ?

What’s happening is when I drop my line out the current is putting a bow in it. I’m sending down a 4 oz bank sinker and a 1/4 oz jig on a dropper loop and most of my spool is out at this point.

Not sure why someone would seabass like that, but I'd go with braid (40 or 50) with a longish BG leader (30-40 lb) and a big enough sinker to do away with the bow, and the rod to handle the weight, oh, and a big cooler.

[Jigfishn10]

@BassWhole!, thank you for your input. I have no doubt that you are far more experienced at this than I. This is my first year fishing this way and so far I have no complaints with the success I’ve been having to date.

My homework over the winter has been paying off with the exception of this issue. 
Asking questions  like this to this community has proven to be a valuable resource.

Thanks again for your input.

[islandbass]

5 hours ago, Jigfishn10 said:

I guess this means I do have a low IQ….?…all good sooner.

Actually back sea bass is my target but have been catch cod, pollock, haddock. Which are all very tasty. ?

What’s happening is when I drop my line out the current is putting a bow in it. I’m sending down a 4 oz bank sinker and a 1/4 oz jig on a dropper loop and most of my spool is out at this point.

Got it!  I’ve dealt with current like that so now the picture you made is clearer. That bow does take up extra line and in my experience makes detecting feedback at the end of the line a bit challenging and pans out more line. With all that bow in the line, it makes me wonder if I should bring a few arrows, lol. ( bad dad joke ?)

[Jigfishn10]

All good @islandbass!