I'm done using a palomar with fluoro

[PhishLI]

SDJ knot, some slobber, and you're good. Plus you'll waste less line on the re-tie once you figure out that you don't need much tag to complete the knot.

[new2BC4bass]

4 hours ago, Bassjam2000 said:

Never had issues with fluoro with the trilene and fishin’ fool knot (very underrated and overlooked imo), basically a uni with an extra pass through the eye.

I'll run the line through the eye twice if worried.  He calls it a Fish N Fool Knot.

 

[Tatsu Dave]

Only use Seaguar tatsu FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

Only use Seaguar tatsu FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

Only use Seaguar tatsu FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

Only use Seaguar tatsu FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

Only use Seaguar tatsu FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

Only use Seaguar tatsu FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

Only use Seaguar tatsu FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

Only use Seaguar tatsu FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

Only use tatsu FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

Only use tatsu FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

Only use FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

[PourMyOwn]

14 minutes ago, Tatsu Dave said:

Only use Seaguar tatsu FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

Only use Seaguar tatsu FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

Only use Seaguar tatsu FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

Only use Seaguar tatsu FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

Only use Seaguar tatsu FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

Only use Seaguar tatsu FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

Only use Seaguar tatsu FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

Only use Seaguar tatsu FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

Only use tatsu FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

Only use tatsu FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

Only use FC line and the 7 wrap clinch knot, in 5 years of heavy fishing I've never had a knot slip or pull out. Line knicks from toothy fish/rocks have cost me some break-off's but the knot always hold's. 

You can say that again!

[T-Billy]

11 hours ago, TnRiver46 said:

From a casual observer, it seems like fluorocarbon just likes to break in a variety of situations 

Exactly why I quit using it.  XT and 832 serve me well. Breakoffs are rare indeed, and breaks at the knot are even more rare. Palomar for braid, and Trilene for mono.

 

Edit to add: Flippin hooks get the Tharp Snell Knot. Easiest snell I've found and have never had one fail.

[TnRiver46]

2 minutes ago, T-Billy said:

Exactly why I quit using it.  XT and 832 serve me well. Breakoffs are rare indeed, and breaks at the knot are even more rare. Palomar for braid, and Trilene for mono.

I’ve dabbled but I think I’m better off using the stuff you mentioned 

[HaydenS]

21 hours ago, MN Fisher said:

I'm still sticking with my tried-and-true MK knot - from 4#Mono to 50#braid, it hasn't failed me yet.

 

How big is this knot one 50lbs braid?

 

Palomar is the only knot I tie, period.  

To make sure I don't burn the line when I tighten the knot, I put the knot in my mouth and pull it tight.  If I see the line is crossed, I cut it off and tie a new knot.  If I see anything I don't like, it gets retied. 

[new2BC4bass]

3 hours ago, PourMyOwn said:

You can say that again!

I think he did. 

[BigAngus752]

21 hours ago, OkobojiEagle said:

Trilene knot

 

^^^solved^^^

 

[MickD]

It's not that complicated.  Get rid of the FC and use mono.  With just about any knot you want.

[rtwvumtneer6]

22 hours ago, papajoe222 said:

Jimmy Houston knot

Is that the double line, draw a circle around your finger, 3 wraps and back through the circle?  Gary Klein and Shaw Grigsby use that, too.  I've also seen it called double-pitzen on YouTube.  

 

Anyway, if we're talking about the same knot, that's what I use with great success.  You can get pretty quick with some practice.  It's really pretty simple.  My only complaint is you have 3 tags that face outward and like to grab vegetation.  But, break-offs are minimal.

[MN Fisher]

1 hour ago, HaydenS said:

How big is this knot one 50lbs braid?

About the same size as a Uni knot...

[Boomstick]

On 7/21/2021 at 10:06 PM, gunsinger said:

I saw a Roland Martin video where he claimed all he tied was a uni-knot.

That's pretty much all I use and I virtually never have my knot break on fluorocarbon. It was the first knot that I learned, then I learned the palomar (which I will occasionally use on braid, it cinches down tight on braid but not nearly as good on mono and even less fluoro) but I found that for some reason the uni was easier to tie if there's wind, so that's what I use.

[ironbjorn]

This is the thread this belongs in. I replied to the wrong one earlier.

 

Before I say this, it's worth noting that I use FC on 3 spinning setups. Other than that I use BG and YZH.

 

But with that said, this problem wouldn't exist if we (we meant collectively) stopped believing 2 lies or myths or whatever you want to call it. 

 

1. That bass are line shy and the "invisible" properties of FC are useful.

 

And

 

2. That FC doesn't have, or has significantly less, stretch than monofilament.

 

The truth is, in my opinion, that FC is a bad fishing line material that companies, YouTube personalities and pros (for sponsorship reasons) sucker people into believing is necessary and worth the ridiculously high cost.

 

Using FC because "fish can't see it" while the bait you're using has lead, tungsten, shiny hooks, shiny blades, shiny wires or all of the above or more, is like ordering a diet Coke with your McDonald's, as if it really made any difference.

[Dash Riprock]

11 hours ago, ironbjorn said:

 

Using FC because "fish can't see it" while the bait you're using has lead, tungsten, shiny hooks, shiny blades, shiny wires or all of the above or more, is like ordering a diet Coke with your McDonald's, as if it really made any difference.

Thank you!!

 

Since I got back into fishing a year or so ago and started adopting some of these fancy new (to me) tools and techniques I saw everybody talking about, this one never quite made sense. I loaded up my new reels with braid then religiously tied FC leaders to it, because that seemed like the thing to do. But then I'd see things like, for example, all the wacky rig paraphernalia with the black o-rings and the weedless hooks and sometimes even with weights attached, and I kept thinking "how can the fish get spooked by this tiny strand of nearly camouflaged braid but not by all the goofiness sticking out of this worm they are about to bite, at exactly the point where they're going to bite it?".

 

I've been seriously considering going to just straight braid, no leader. Of course that would mean all that time I spent practicing a half dozen types of leader knots would be for naught. Arggghhh. 

 

 

[FishTank]

I have been using an improved clinch knot with FC for quite some time but here lately I have had a few break offs. So I saw the San Diego Jam knot on this thread and I tried it today.  No issues, it worked great.  It may be my go to in the future.   

 

[snake95]

On 7/21/2021 at 10:48 PM, TnRiver46 said:

On 7/21/2021 at 10:28 PM, MN Fisher said:

I'm still sticking with my tried-and-true MK knot - from 4#Mono to 50#braid, it hasn't failed me yet.

 

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That looks like a clinch knot……… on steroids……… then that clinch knot on steroids mated with another clinch knot on steroids and that’s their offspring. Needless to say I don’t think it’ll break!

Mechanically, this seems very similar to a SDJ to me.  I am fishing the Berkley Braid on fluoro most of the time, sometimes a doubled uni (referred to by Amart as the double uni).

[WRB]

Prior to fluorocarbon fishing line 99 % of bass anglers used the improved clinch knot or the Trilene variation.

Nylon monofilament line is very forgiving with knot strength, nearly every knot works good.

FC line is extremely knot strength sensitive line and unforgiving for knots not tied properly. How many knots have surfaced since FC become popular???more then I can remember.

The Palomar knot is a good knot and easy to tie. The problem is your can’t cross the double line by twisting the loop. Line that crosses over another strand cuts into it’s self wearing the knot. FC having at best 80% knot strength fails with any knot tied incorrectly.

The San Diego jam knot is hard to tie incorrectly and very reliable with mono and FC line.

Tom 

[PourMyOwn]

On 7/23/2021 at 3:16 PM, Dash Riprock said:

Thank you!!

 

Since I got back into fishing a year or so ago and started adopting some of these fancy new (to me) tools and techniques I saw everybody talking about, this one never quite made sense. I loaded up my new reels with braid then religiously tied FC leaders to it, because that seemed like the thing to do. But then I'd see things like, for example, all the wacky rig paraphernalia with the black o-rings and the weedless hooks and sometimes even with weights attached, and I kept thinking "how can the fish get spooked by this tiny strand of nearly camouflaged braid but not by all the goofiness sticking out of this worm they are about to bite, at exactly the point where they're going to bite it?".

 

I've been seriously considering going to just straight braid, no leader. Of course that would mean all that time I spent practicing a half dozen types of leader knots would be for naught. Arggghhh. 

 

 

I've switched over to braid to mono and have been very happy with it. I'm no longer concerned with knot strength and the difference in stretch (which never bothered me anyway) is very little over a 6' leader.

[Sherlock 60]

I've been using the Uni knot almost exclusively for years and have never had any problems with flouro (I only use Invizx), mono, braid or hybrid lines. I originally decided to try the Uni because the Palomar was a pain with spinnerbaits and crankbaits. I still try the Palomar occasionally but always go back to the Uni.

[lo n slo]

On 7/21/2021 at 9:55 PM, papajoe222 said:

Yes, Another knot question.

After multiple knot failures using a palomar knot for single hook presentations, I'm done.  I can't change my hook-set, even though I've tried and more times than I care to remember, I've had break offs at the knot .  I've tried a version of the Albright, but I prefer a double line knot. I've tried the Jimmy Houston knot, which is just a double line version of it.  It's a pretty good knot, but it's a bit of a POA to tie. 

Recommendations please.

 

a couple years ago I saw this video Shaw Grigsby has out about this new knot he’s been using for fluoro. I tried it and have been using it ever since. I don’t even know if it has a name but I’ve been calling it the Shaw Grigsby knot. You can find it on YouTube 

[Bankc]

I'm starting to get away from the Palomar for FC.  FC line seems to not like being pinched, and if you accidentally cross the line on a Palomar, it seems to weaken the knot a lot more than with braid or nylon.  

 

I might give that MK a try.  

[JLBBass]

I wouldn't know....................I don't own a spool of fluoro.....

[NHBull]

17 hours ago, lo n slo said:

a couple years ago I saw this video Shaw Grigsby has out about this new knot he’s been using for fluoro. I tried it and have been using it ever since. I don’t even know if it has a name but I’ve been calling it the Shaw Grigsby knot. You can find it on YouTube 

 

[Fishingmickey]

14 hours ago, Bankc said:

I'm starting to get away from the Palomar for FC.  FC line seems to not like being pinched, and if you accidentally cross the line on a Palomar, it seems to weaken the knot a lot more than with braid or nylon.  

 

I might give that MK a try.  

Ding, ding! Winner, winner chicken dinner!  FC doesn't liked to be kinked at all. I use the improved clinch knot (six turns) on my fluoro to terminal tackle and the Palomar for braid.

FM

 

p.s. I do like the MK knot that Minnesota posted.