I'm done using a palomar with fluoro

[papajoe222]

Yes, Another knot question.

After multiple knot failures using a palomar knot for single hook presentations, I'm done.  I can't change my hook-set, even though I've tried and more times than I care to remember, I've had break offs at the knot .  I've tried a version of the Albright, but I prefer a double line knot. I've tried the Jimmy Houston knot, which is just a double line version of it.  It's a pretty good knot, but it's a bit of a POA to tie. 

Recommendations please.

 

[gunsinger]

I saw a Roland Martin video where he claimed all he tied was a uni-knot. I tied it a few times; it was fairly easy. I still favor the Palomar. When tied right (no crossed lines and everything pulled to the top, it’s as strong as any I’ve tied.  
 

Most break offs for me occur because I didn’t check the line for fraying. 

[A-Jay]

   For baits & terminal tackle on FC,

I have been using either a single or double San Diego Jam Knot successfully.

From 25 lb line down to 6 lb and everything in between.

Easy for me to tie correctly and so far,

has been very reliable.

A-Jay

 

[MN Fisher]

I'm still sticking with my tried-and-true MK knot - from 4#Mono to 50#braid, it hasn't failed me yet.

 

[TnRiver46]

13 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

I'm still sticking with my tried-and-true MK knot - from 4#Mono to 50#braid, it hasn't failed me yet.

 

That looks like a clinch knot……… on steroids……… then that clinch knot on steroids mated with another clinch knot on steroids and that’s their offspring. Needless to say I don’t think it’ll break! 

[OkobojiEagle]

Trilene knot

 

[RealtreeByGod]

I think Palomar is best as a braid knot but I haven't had problems with it with other line types. When I don't use it for fluoro or mono, I just use a Uni or Fish-N-Fool. But I also almost never use rigs/presentations where I have to swing for the fences to get hook sets. 

[YoTone]

another vote for the san diego jam knot. learned it in 5th grade and its been my only knot ive used.

[huZZah]

1 hour ago, OkobojiEagle said:

Trilene knot

 

Ditto. Although if you’re struggling with palomar, I’d just go uni. No double wrap to worry about. 

[DenhamBruce]

San Diego Jam is my best knot for Fluoro

[Hammer 4]

When I was using fluro, San Diego jam knot was what I always used, the exception being when drop shotting, then it  was a Palomar.

[waymont]

3 hours ago, A-Jay said:

   For baits & terminal tackle on FC,

I have been using either a single or double San Diego Jam Knot successfully.

From 25 lb line down to 6 lb and everything in between.

Easy for me to tie correctly and so far,

has been very reliable.

A-Jay

 

Same for me. Easy to tie, and zero failures 

[Jig Man]

The Pitzen is my choice.  It is easier than the SJam and just as strong. I use it on all line types and sizes.

[dodgeguy]

I will never be able to understand why people have problems with the Palomar knot. 

[TnRiver46]

From a casual observer, it seems like fluorocarbon just likes to break in a variety of situations 

[bulldog1935]

51 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

From a casual observer, it seems like fluorocarbon just likes to break in a variety of situations 

Not all fluoro is created equal.  

Blasting out the door on an Alaska business trip, had to buy tippet on the way to the airport.  Rio hard fluoro was all they had.  Broke off three 30+" Kenai rainbows on my surgeon's knots.  

Nothing but Seaguar ever since.  

 

Have never broken fluoro since - not entirely saying it's the Seaguar, but why use Palomar knot, anyway (rhetorical).  (I have broken braid on snook and redfish)

The whole purpose of uni knot aka Duncan loop for lure to fluoro is to have the shock tolerance of collapsing the loop.  

 

btw, Alaska clients expect you to play when the work is done - if you don't have a plan, they get PO'd - I bought you a ticket up here, etc.    

[TnRiver46]

7 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

Not all fluoro is created equal.  

Blasting out the door on an Alaska business trip, had to buy tippet on the way to the airport.  Rio hard fluoro was all they had.  Broke off three 30+" Kenai rainbows on my surgeon's knots.  

Nothing but Seaguar ever since.  

 

Have never broken fluoro since - not entirely saying it's the Seaguar, but why use Palomar knot, anyway (rhetorical).  

The whole purpose of uni knot aka Duncan loop is to have the shock tolerance of collapsing the loop.  

 

btw, Alaska clients expect you to play when the work is done - if you don't have a plan, they get PO'd  

Sheesh! That’s crowded. I saw a similar scene on the anchor river with salmon. 
 

never broken your line since then? Not even in a tree??

[bulldog1935]

@TnRiver46 - never been in a cypress branch I couldn't reach and cut with my pocket knife.  

Russian River Ferry landing - it's always combat fishing during a sockeye run.  

I'm fishing for rainbows and dollies below the cleaning stand - they'll impale  themselves on a bare red Gami hook there. If you can fall in the river, you can catch fish in Alaska.  

My buddy flew up and met me, and I'm letting him get his fill of sockeye the first afternoon.  We stayed at Gwinn's in Cooper.  

 

One day floating for kings, and the other 2 days, guided him up the Russian and on Kenai creeks.  

 

 

 

[ChrisD46]

9 hours ago, TnRiver46 said:

That looks like a clinch knot……… on steroids……… then that clinch knot on steroids mated with another clinch knot on steroids and that’s their offspring. Needless to say I don’t think it’ll break! 

*Appears to be German , so must be pretty well thought out .

[gunsinger]

I did KNOT know there were so many KNOTS.

[padon]

san diego jam.

[Sphynx]

FC is a bit of a pain, but I have found the Palomar to be the best single hook knot for use with it in my fishing, as mentioned above make sure it is tied correctly, and then be sure that you keep the knot wet to help reduce friction/burning the line, happens a lot easier than folks think and it will definitely weaken your knot.

[new2BC4bass]

1 hour ago, TnRiver46 said:

Sheesh! That’s crowded. I saw a similar scene on the anchor river with salmon. 
 

never broken your line since then? Not even in a tree??

Guess you've never fished in Pulaski, NY during a run.  Leave four feet between you and the next person and someone is liable step in between you. 

 

OP, I don't use much fluoro, but have never had a problem with the Uni Knot.

[Steveo-1969]

13 hours ago, OkobojiEagle said:

Trilene knot

 

I use the Trilene knot for every line type and weight. I just adjust the number of wraps I use so that I get a snug knot when I tighten it.

[Bass Rutten]

Never had issues with fluoro with the trilene and fishin’ fool knot (very underrated and overlooked imo), basically a uni with an extra pass through the eye.