Palomar knot breaking

[Jcj90]

Breaking when I cinch it down. I pull both ends to snug it then pull on tag end and then pull mainline at the end. Breaking on the final step when I pull the mainline tight. Using power pro

 

doesn’t happen all the time. Maybe bad line? 

[Captain Phil]

I can't imagine Power Pro breaking like that?  What pound test is it?    A Palomar knot is not the best knot for braid.  You'll have better luck with a Jimmy Houston knot.  It's a double clinch knot and will not slip.   I use it for everything.

[Jcj90]

It happens on braid anywhere from 10-30lb

1 minute ago, Captain Phil said:

I can't imagine Power Pro breaking like that?  What pound test is it?    A Palomar knot is not the best knot for braid.  You'll have better luck with a Jimmy Houston knot.  I use it for everything.

 

[Captain Phil]

Braid requires different knots than mono or fluorocarbon line.  Try the Jimmy Houston knot.  I think you'll like it.  There are a number of YouTube videos showing you how to tie it.  I have never had this knot fail.

[Deephaven]

I use mostly power pro and mostly the palomar.  Can't say I've ever experienced that.  10lb, 30lb, 40lb, & 50lb are on my daily rotation of rods.

[Jcj90]

11 minutes ago, Deephaven said:

I use mostly power pro and mostly the palomar.  Can't say I've ever experienced that.  10lb, 30lb, 40lb, & 50lb are on my daily rotation of rods.

When you draw the knot up what lines are you pulling? 

[Mike L]

Been using the Palomar for all braid sizes for years and have never had one problem. 
No line should break when cinching no matter what it is. 
 

I’d start over with a new spool. 
 

 

 

 

Mike

 

[Jcj90]

35 minutes ago, Mike L said:

Been using the Palomar for all braid sizes for years and have never had one problem. 
No line should break when cinching no matter what it is. 
 

I’d start over with a new spool. 
 

 

 

 

Mike

 

I was pulling pretty hard to cinch  it. I guess it’s possible I was putting more pressure on the knot then it can handle. I was told to just draw the knot up tight but not over pull on it as they can weaken it it mainly happens with 10-15kb braid 

[gunsinger]

I've tied the Palomar on all my braid without issue.  My process is the same as yours and I've never had it to break.  I'm pulling pretty hard because I'd rather it break in the boat than in the water with a PB on the other end.  The double clinch is a good one too.

[WRB]

The Palomar knot is prone to failing if the loop is Twisted during the tying process. The twist occurs when putting the loop over the hook, keep the loop straight.

Tom

[Jcj90]

2 minutes ago, WRB said:

The Palomar knot is prone to failing if the loop is Twisted during the tying process. The twist occurs when putting the loop over the hook, keep the loop straight.

Tom

Are the double lines around the hook eye supposed to be next to each other or can they cross?

8 minutes ago, gunsinger said:

I've tied the Palomar on all my braid without issue.  My process is the same as yours and I've never had it to break.  I'm pulling pretty hard because I'd rather it break in the boat than in the water with a PB on the other end.  The double clinch is a good one too.

How many wraps do you do with the double clinch?

[gunsinger]

9 minutes ago, Jcj90 said:

Are the double lines around the hook eye supposed to be next to each other or can they cross?

How many wraps do you do with the double clinch?

I always avoid crossing the lines.  I've seen it more with Flourocarbon but crossing the lines puts additional stress on the knot.

 

10 minutes ago, Jcj90 said:

How many wraps do you do with the double clinch?

I've always done 5-6 wraps with the double clinch.

[Jcj90]

I’m curious the proper way to cinch the knot as well. I was always told to pull both the mainline and tag at the same time and then pull the tag end and finally the mainline. My buddy pulls the main and tag end and then does a final test by just pulling on the mainline then cuts the tag. I guess my question is is it necessary to pull

the tag end line by itself after cinching down the main and tag end together?

[gunsinger]

2 minutes ago, Jcj90 said:

I’m curious the proper way to cinch the knot as well. I was always told to pull both the mainline and tag at the same time and then pull the tag end and finally the mainline. My buddy pulls the main and tag end and then does a final test by just pulling on the mainline then cuts the tag. I guess my question is is it necessary to pull

the tag end line by itself after cinching down the main and tag end together?

On the Palomar, I pull the main line and the tag at the same time.  I also make certain that the tag doesn't fall out of the loop.  After cinching it down with both, I pull on the main, probably harder with braid than i do with FC, and cut the tag.  

 

There are a lot of good videos out there on tying the Palomar and the double clinch so you can see it in action.

[li_bass_hunter]

I pull both main and tag end to Cinch the knot and then just pull the mainline before cutting the tag end. This video is exactly how I do it

 

 

[gunsinger]

I'll add in one other cautionary note about the Palomar.  Be sure that the loop that is formed when you tie the overhand knot pulls all the way to the top of the hook eye after you pass the lure through it and before you cinch it down.  I've had one strand of the loop get stuck at the bottom of the eye on occasion and if you cinch it down before addressing that, your knot will be weaken.

[huZZah]

Roland Martin has a video on knots and somewhere shows that the Palomar is stronger (cinches tighter) with braid than mono/floro. But he even says it’s not the strongest knot, it’s just simple. It also wastes a ton of line to get it tied on larger lures. 
 

I use it on my hooks before worm is on, but I’m inclined to agree with him. I started using the trilene knot on most everything else so I could still have a double wrap but it’s easier to tie on bigger lures. 

[WRB]

You don’t want the double line to cross over, that is the twist and cuts the line when clinched tight.

The original braid knot is a double line clinch knot in lieu of a single line. The braid knot ends up with 3 tag ends to cut. Ugly knot but 100% line strength.

Tom

 

[PaulVE64]

Pardon me but i never use the palomar anymore with a fluorocarbon leader.

I used to lose lures to knot explosion whenever there was a hard shock on the line. 

[Catt]

If y'all got a problem with a Palomar knot I can guarantee it's operator error.

 

It's the only knot I tie regardless of line type & have never had a failure.

[BayouSlide]

I'm with Catt. The Palomar solved all my knot problems and is all I tie now.

[dodgeguy]

5 hours ago, Captain Phil said:

I can't imagine Power Pro breaking like that?  What pound test is it?    A Palomar knot is not the best knot for braid.  You'll have better luck with a Jimmy Houston knot.  It's a double clinch knot and will not slip.   I use it for everything.

I've used a Palomar for braid for over 30 years without any issues

[Mike L]

There’s a big difference between lab testing and actual on the water, fish on the line testing. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mike

[TcRoc]

No problem with Palomar/braid here either . I’ve pulled rather large tree branches thru the water I’ve had snags on.. and many other snags have had to pull with all I’ve had to break the line and have had times I could not break the line .. that’s a pretty stout knot I’d say. I’m sure many have had the same experience.

[Deephaven]

8 hours ago, Jcj90 said:

When you draw the knot up what lines are you pulling? 

Once balanced all of them