This Makes Me Mad.

[Benjamin Bunting]

It's a shame that this could be the result of poor fish management on board a boat, but I see this quite often during the summer here in South Carolina out in the main channel of the lakes making me thing that they could have been hit by a boat prop or even hull smacked. It's a tough discussion when the result is the same, a loss of a precious resource.

[NHBull]

I lile to keep water in the well and treat it with catch and releass  if needs be........being a PB or bleader......

[gim]

11 minutes ago, ajschn06 said:

 

 

If you've done this and I've seen the photo, I probably don't respect you much anymore....

 

That's fair.  Go ahead and look.  You won't find one.

[ajschn06]

25 minutes ago, gimruis said:

 

That's fair.  Go ahead and look.  You won't find one.

I wasn't speaking to "you" I'm talking about the fellas your speaking about with their "glory pics".  If you've gotta keep a few bass holed up in a livewell all day when it's 90 degrees so you can get that sweet pic for social media, it tells me a lot about you...

[WRB]

The site sponsor Sure Life makes the products to keep Bass safe and healthy in a live well. Sure Life also has made video’s on how to handle bass and keep the water at the proper temps. The info is there, the Tournament Directors should be on top of weigh in protocol. 

The problem is bass anglers in general think bass are tough fish without realizing the are fragile in a livewell. Low DO levels from hot surface water being circulated raises above survivable limits with very low DO levels. Post mortality rate sky rockets bass dieting shortly after being released. 

Catch & Release doesn't mean catch & survive. 

3% mortality is about average for bass tournaments with proper handling. If you do not tournament don’t put a bass in the livewell. The bigger the bass the more stress it receives confined, they need water the same temp as it was acclaimed to within 5 degrees,10 degrees higher is a death sentence.

DO levels drop low the bass can’t breath and suffocates even in the water without enough dissolved oxygen.

3% over the counter hydrogen peroxide mix 1/2 cup to 15 gallons of livewell water insures good DO levels. A pint bottle of frozen water helps to drop the temps about 5 degrees to reduce thermo shock.

Keep these items on hand if you target big bass or don’t put it in the livewell.

Tom

[gim]

5 minutes ago, ajschn06 said:

I wasn't speaking to "you" I'm talking about the fellas your speaking about with their "glory pics".  If you've gotta keep a few bass holed up in a livewell all day when it's 90 degrees so you can get that sweet pic for social media, it tells me a lot about you...

My bad.  Slight misunderstanding.

[PressuredFishing]

18 hours ago, Biglittle8 said:

Went to my local lake Sunday, got to the boat ramp and found 5 dead bass at the dock. All seemed to be over 3.5 lbs. The fact that there was 5 fish, all in that size range makes me think these came out of someone's livewell. I hope I'm wrong. I don't know if there has been any tournaments recently.  They look like they had been there a couple of days,the birds had been picking at them  What are your thoughts? Below are a couple of pictures. 

probably people keeping their fish in a live well, honestly id rather people keep the fish they catch than keep them in a livewell for 8 hours and then release them, makes the parks cleaner. I have no issue with bass dying but if you are going to release them at least put in the effort and dont keep them out of the water for the whole day of fishing in a livewell ?

[Bigassbass]

Like I said start having tournaments with a weigh and record guy and the problem is solved.  Big money tournaments have gone to this.  

[NoShoes]

CPR meaning catch, photo, release? 

[the reel ess]

17 hours ago, Biglittle8 said:

The water temps in this lake are in the 90's now in most areas, as it is a steam plant lake. It's hot enough here in North Carolina but factor in the hot water discharge, it makes for some very high water temperatures. I have heard some guys will add ice to their live wells. My goal is to catch fish and return them to the water quickly and safely.

My buddy keeps a few used gatorade bottles of water in the freezer for this purpose. But he keeps all his average size bass as well as crappie and bream of eating size. He basically has a slot of 1.5-3 lb. bass he'll keep. 

[schplurg]

6 hours ago, WRB said:

The site sponsor Sure Life makes the products to keep Bass safe and healthy in a live well. Sure Life also has made video’s on how to handle bass and keep the water at the proper temps. The info is there, the Tournament Directors should be on top of weigh in protocol. 

The problem is bass anglers in general think bass are tough fish without realizing the are fragile in a livewell. Low DO levels from hot surface water being circulated raises above survivable limits with very low DO levels. Post mortality rate sky rockets bass dieting shortly after being released. 

Catch & Release doesn't mean catch & survive. 

3% mortality is about average for bass tournaments with proper handling. If you do not tournament don’t put a bass in the livewell. The bigger the bass the more stress it receives confined, they need water the same temp as it was acclaimed to within 5 degrees,10 degrees higher is a death sentence.

DO levels drop low the bass can’t breath and suffocates even in the water without enough dissolved oxygen.

3% over the counter hydrogen peroxide mix 1/2 cup to 15 gallons of livewell water insures good DO levels. A pint bottle of frozen water helps to drop the temps about 5 degrees to reduce thermo shock.

Keep these items on hand if you target big bass or don’t put it in the livewell.

Tom

 

The commercial additives make many unproven claims.

 

One live well additive company (will not name cuz of rules) claims that their product can remove heavy metals. I wrote to the guy who makes it and asked him how...he provided a one word response - "chelation". When I asked for info he refused to discuss it.

 

I know what chelation is and so do my science minded friends. It is a wild made up claim. Look up "chelation" if you don't believe me. It is used to treat people with lead poisoning and must be very very precisely dosed. Dumping powder into water does no meet this requirement. It is a laughable claim.

 

And why would I want to remove heavy metals in the first place when I'm dumping the fish right back into the same body of water I caught it from? It's a gimmick and a lie.

 

Chelation is a buzzword being used by people who claim that it cures autism and other problems. There is no evidence that it works for anything other than removing metals from the bloodstream.

 

And exactly what chemicals are in the product that cause the chelation? In fact, without knowing what is in these things we can't be sure the fish aren't being harmed. Then we dump it into the water at the end of the day.

 

I said it in another thread today - "claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence". I contend that live well additives are a waste of money.

[Sphynx]

Out in the states I fish bass are not native, in fact they are a rather invasive species (how much they affect native species is still very open and hotly debated) so I don't think too hard about it, I just try to follow the same rules I have followed for all my life while hunting, if I intend to kill it, I had better be prepared to eat it, I do everything I can to ensure a safe and responsible release according to my understanding of how that works, if one floats up, it's unfortunate, but I certainly didn't do it on purpose, if I have reason to believe a given fish isn't going to make it? I am eating well that night.

[Biglittle8]

Sometimes fish that we catch won't make it, but we should at least make every effort to assure they have the best chance possible. CPR or eat it!

The O.P. was not meant as a dig on tournament guys, Just hate to see the waste of five nice fish.

[gim]

7 hours ago, Sphynx said:

I just try to follow the same rules I have followed for all my life while hunting, if I intend to kill it, I had better be prepared to eat it

 

There are a lot of hunters that have absolutely no interest in eating what they have harvested.  Sure, a lot are meat hunters.  But I know a fair amount that aren't.  Trophy hunting and predator hunting in every form does not have the intention to consume but is very popular.  I don't honestly hunt anything purely for the point of eating it and I hunt deer, waterfowl, turkeys, and pheasants every season.  I do it because I enjoy the pure aspect of hunting and spending time with nature (and my dog and my Father).  I will admit that I consume most of what I harvest or give it to someone that wants it though.  And frankly there are some things that I hunt that taste downright terrible like diving ducks, an old leathery rutted up buck, and canadian goose.  Even a wild turkey is not very good but luckily I can find someone who wants it should I get one.

[MN Fisher]

7 hours ago, Sphynx said:

I just try to follow the same rules I have followed for all my life while hunting, if I intend to kill it, I had better be prepared to eat it,

This is how I was taught by my grand-uncle. 'Only shoot at things you'll eat, eat everything you shoot." Which is what I've followed for 50 years.

 

Fishing is pretty much the same...if I don't think a fish I've caught will survive because of a gut-hook or something else, it's going in my freezer for later consumption.

 

I also practice selective harvest - which numerous studies have proven that it's good for a fishery.

[A-Jay]

On 7/18/2021 at 11:05 PM, Biglittle8 said:

Went to my local lake Sunday, got to the boat ramp and found 5 dead bass at the dock. All seemed to be over 3.5 lbs. The fact that there was 5 fish, all in that size range makes me think these came out of someone's livewell. I hope I'm wrong. I don't know if there has been any tournaments recently.  They look like they had been there a couple of days,the birds had been picking at them  What are your thoughts? Below are a couple of pictures. 

 

Dead bass are always a bummer.

I can certainly respect different opinions on the subject,

however I do not share them all.

I have a live well and while always following all legal guidelines,

I do use it on occasion.

Clearly, there's a difference between use & abuse.

Used responsibly, it's not a death sentence. 

Fish Hard

A-Jay

[TnRiver46]

58 minutes ago, gimruis said:

 

Even a wild turkey is not very good 

[gim]

LOL its true they just aren't.  I have heard they're better if you smoke them or dunk them in a deep fryer but I don't have either option and both of those require plucking the bird instead of skinning it.  There's no way I'm plucking a wild gobbler again.  That took me over 2 hours the one time I did it.

[NoShoes]

34 minutes ago, A-Jay said:

 

Dead bass are always a bummer.

I can certainly respect different opinions on the subject,

however I do not share them all.

I have a live well and while always following all legal guidelines,

I do use it on occasion.

Clearly, there's a difference between use & abuse.

Used responsibly, it's not a death sentence. 

Fish Hard

A-Jay

if you catch them like that hell I’d save them for those kind of pics too!  Nobody wants to see my 5 lber next to a dink lol. 

[TnRiver46]

26 minutes ago, gimruis said:

LOL its true they just aren't.  I have heard they're better if you smoke them or dunk them in a deep fryer but I don't have either option and both of those require plucking the bird instead of skinning it.  There's no way I'm plucking a wild gobbler again.  That took me over 2 hours the one time I did it.

You’re way off track. Cut the breast into small pieces and marinate it in Italian salad dressing for 24 hours in the refrigerator then put it on kebabs with onions and peppers and Grill it. some of the best food on earth 
 

[A-Jay]

6 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

You’re way off track. Cut the breast into small pieces and marinate it in Italian salad dressing for 24 hours in the refrigerator then put it on kebabs with onions and peppers and Grill it. some of the best food on earth 
 

Nice ~ 

But it must be a bear getting it in the live well in the first place ! 

A-Jay

[WRB]

11 hours ago, schplurg said:

 

The commercial additives make many unproven claims.

 

One live well additive company (will not name cuz of rules) claims that their product can remove heavy metals. I wrote to the guy who makes it and asked him how...he provided a one word response - "chelation". When I asked for info he refused to discuss it.

 

I know what chelation is and so do my science minded friends. It is a wild made up claim. Look up "chelation" if you don't believe me. It is used to treat people with lead poisoning and must be very very precisely dosed. Dumping powder into water does no meet this requirement. It is a laughable claim.

 

And why would I want to remove heavy metals in the first place when I'm dumping the fish right back into the same body of water I caught it from? It's a gimmick and a lie.

 

Chelation is a buzzword being used by people who claim that it cures autism and other problems. There is no evidence that it works for anything other than removing metals from the bloodstream.

 

And exactly what chemicals are in the product that cause the chelation? In fact, without knowing what is in these things we can't be sure the fish aren't being harmed. Then we dump it into the water at the end of the day.

 

I said it in another thread today - "claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence". I contend that live well additives are a waste of money.

You are welcome to have your own opinion buy not your own facts.

Tony Gergely Owner of Sure Life products and the late Doug Hannon developed Catch & Release. Take few minutes to to study the facts before making false claims. 

I used SURE LIFE products and 3% Hydrogen peroxide for nearly 3 decades very successfully.

Tom

 

[gim]

23 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

You’re way off track. Cut the breast into small pieces and marinate it in Italian salad dressing for 24 hours in the refrigerator then put it on kebabs with onions and peppers and Grill it. some of the best food on earth 
 

I'll have to give it a try next time.  Always looking for a better way to prepare and cook a wild turkey.

[TnRiver46]

8 minutes ago, gimruis said:

I'll have to give it a try next time.  Always looking for a better way to prepare and cook a wild turkey.

I hear people all the time talk about slow cooking wild game, don’t do that unless it’s a pig! It only takes 5 minutes to cook deer, turkey, and fish . 
 

If you cook a duck longer than 5 minutes you’ve ruined it too (the exception is waterfowl pastrami that you smoke for about an hour very low, but it’s cured for days before the smoke. Deer pastrami is also awesome )

[MN Fisher]

13 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

I hear people all the time talk about slow cooking wild game, don’t do that unless it’s a pig! It only takes 5 minutes to cook deer, turkey, and fish . 
 

If you cook a duck longer than 5 minutes you’ve ruined it too (the exception is waterfowl pastrami that you smoke for about an hour very low, but it’s cured for days before the smoke. Deer pastrami is also awesome )

Unless you're doing a stew - except for the back-strap, I cubed deer meat and used it as replacement for lamb in Irish Stew...always do stew in a crock-pot.